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Posted on 01/22/2011 5:20:17 PM PST by skimask
My son has asked me for input/advice as to which compact or sub compact semi auto hand gun to buy in either a 9mm or 40 SW. I am partial to the H & K in a 40 SW configuration with a laser sight. I also like the Sig 226 in a 9mm. What do yall think?
PING to some guys that might be able to help.
I just bought a Beretta PX4 Storm Sub-Compact in 9mm and it’s the best “small” handgun I’ve ever had. 13 round magazine (don’t ask me how they do that...black hole technology??), very pleasant to shoot, and as accurate as my big Beretta.
The SP101 is good for 9mm. Glock or Sig for 40 cal.
Glock 27 in .40, it works.
Superb, coming from a .45 fan.
Try message boards, of course opinions will vary
An indoor range near here rents handguns by the hour. $40 to use their firearm plus a box of 50 rounds and one hour range time. Not a bad deal
Find a range where you can rent either or, and have your son try them both.
This is not personal, so please don’t take it that way, but...I am not a fan of laser sights. I believe that, for the most part, laser sights are a great feature to show a customer when someone is selling them a gun. The reality is that all the laser sights, red dots, tritium, gps homing bullets, or other fancy gizmos won’t do you any good if you can’t control the trigger. If you master the trigger, the rest of that stuff will lose it’s value to you. Control that trigger and you will win that gunfight. No gizomos needed.
Having larger hands, I never liked sub-compacts.
During the past year, I was in the market for the exact same thing, and I got a Springfield Armory XD .40 compact(their next to smallest size). The mags will hold 12 flush fit, it’s as accurate as you’d want it to be, and they are rock solid. Like you, the HK handguns have always been my favorite, but you can’t beat the XD for a solid semiauto carry gun.
Makes good sense...Thank you
I like to use a laser when I’m doing dry-fire practice. It really shows you where you make the gun move. But, when the bullets go in, the laser comes off.
My son tried to reply but I guess his account is still in the verification process or something.
Anyway, his questions are:
What will it be used for? Home/self defense? Range? Concealed carry? Does the person have prior firearm experience? And what is his stature?
I’m partial to Glocks (hard to beat a G19 or G23), but think the new Springfield XD[M] is real nice too.
Sig has sort of a unique thing going with their P250 2SUM. You get a 9mm and .40 cal together for a lot less than the price of 2 guns.
1911 and Milt Sparks leather.
He might have to learn I'm right the hard way, but he will have fun doing it and he will then think he discovered 1911 singlehandedly . Most pistoleers do. Good luck
I have an XD 40 and am very pleased. I called the company with some questions and the person I delt with was very knowledgeable and helpful.
He looked at the Beretta PX4 and liked it.
He can handle his self. He needs something his wife can handle too. No disrespect to a 45. A great weapon
Thanks that’s a nice one
You’re at the top of the food chain with either of those. A bigger bullet is always nice, but modern 9mm ammo is very good.
I’d say go with the one you like the fit, ergonomics, and trigger on best.
Lasers and red dots are, for training, sort of a modern version of an old technique of Ed McGivern’s (probably the most proficient revolver shooter of all time) in the 30’s. He suggested putting a dot of red paint on a mirror, lining up the muzzle of the revolver on it, and dry firing at increasing speed until you were steady.
Given he put 5 shots in a playing card at 15 feet in 2/5 of a second out of a S&W .38 revolver in 1934 he might have a point.
I have a Sig 226 9mm but I want that H & K 40 like a hog wants slop. That 40SW round packs a punch.
A SIG P226 is a full sized gun; I have one. If you have smaller hands, like I do, the SIG is a good fit. Instead of the P226, go with a SIG P229. It’s a compact size pistol. I also like Kahr pistols; they’re small and very flat, but pricey. However, if you want good stopping power, and a compact size, it’s hard to beat a single action 1911 45ACP ( as mentioned above)in either Commander size or a more compact version. Colt, Kimber, and Springfield Armory (to name a few makers) make good 1911’s. Kimber came out last year with a bobtail version of the 1911 to improve concealability.
.45 he’ll want out of the 9mm first time he tries a .45
Just save some time and money.
You cannot beat the Sig 226 if you have that kind of money
Yes he has hand gun exp. looking for self defense. Thanks
I’ve shot and enjoyed a SIG 225 (the single stack version of the 226)and thought it was a great gun.
No experience with that particular H&K, although I do have a fondness for their funky P7 series (referred to as a “staple gun” by Jeff Cooper, as reported to me by the honorable FReeper Squantos).
I’m actually a .38 Super fan, when it’s loaded close to the 125 grain .357 levels.
Xd or Glock.
I could not disagree any more. Which just goes to show how much personal preference has to do with this subject.
This tells me he needs to forget the .40 unless his wife has relatively large hands and has experience with the sharp recoil of this cartridge. The overwhelming majority of women will not find the .40 to be an experience they care to repeat with regular range time.
One of each. Just in case.
I did some R&D work with a former Delta Operator who swore by Glock for two reasons. One, it was reliable with whatever he could find, and two, he could throw it out of the bus window while getting out of Dodge without regrets.
I don't know what he would have thought of the XD, he bought the farm in Iraq in '04.
I agree with his thinking. The protagonist in my new book carries a Glock for those very reasons. And after you throw one out the bus window (or overboard) you can get one just like it anywhere, anytime just about.
When you mentioned his wife’s use , the additional attention and training for a double action semi auto came to mind. Two very different trigger pulls. Not to say bad, just the first shot is very different from the rest. I’m sure you will see to training and practice. Remind them - glasses and ear protection . safety safety .Good luck, God bless.
Input from my firearms enthusiast son. He’s young but he knows his stuff.
Since he has handgun experience and his wife will be using it also, I would recommend any of these.
Sig p229 9mm/40 S&W
Glock 19 9mm
Glock 23 40 S&W
Ruger SR9C 9mm
Beretta Px4 compact 9mm
Springfield XD compact 9mm/40 S&W
And mandatory for any home defense firearm, it has to have a flashlight mounted (Streamlight TlR-3 is the best option) because identifying your target is the most important thing.
Easy answer: Buy the firearm that he can consistantly and reliably shoot with accuracy, and is confortable in his hand.
Long answer: Read the whole thread.
Still like my 1911s better, but that's a lot of iron to strap on every day, for most people.
Glock 17 9mm. In 9mm round is ubiquitous.
I have to agree, 1911, is the way to, sheer stopping power, ease of shooting and like Kbennkc wrote, it’s a slim gun, fits nice. Springfield and Kimber both make very excellent .45s in a variety of models.
with a single stack mag, a .45 will fit a woman’s hand too. I can only speak for kimber on this part, but recoil is very manageable as the weight of the gun takes some out of it too. I have no trouble popping off multiple fast shots.
Agreed.....nothing I’ve shot to date compares to my Kimber 1911.
Well....maybe the Wilson Combat CQB but it’s a bit rich for me right now.:)
What do you want this firearm for?
Concealed carry, home defense, car/truck gun, range gun?
Who will be using this firearm?
Are they small or large statured?
Do they have prior experience with firearms?
.40 cal is recommended. I carry concealed everyday and I love my Sig. I would suggest you go with what feels best in your hands. I also love H&K for its reliability. You can’t go wrong with either brand