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Posted on 01/22/2011 5:20:17 PM PST by skimask

My son has asked me for input/advice as to which compact or sub compact semi auto hand gun to buy in either a 9mm or 40 SW. I am partial to the H & K in a 40 SW configuration with a laser sight. I also like the Sig 226 in a 9mm. What do yall think?


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1 posted on 01/22/2011 5:20:21 PM PST by skimask
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To: skimask; mylife; smokingfrog

PING to some guys that might be able to help.


2 posted on 01/22/2011 5:21:38 PM PST by MS.BEHAVIN (Women who behave rarely make history)
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To: skimask

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3 posted on 01/22/2011 5:23:57 PM PST by Beaten Valve
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To: skimask
I'm an admitted 1911 .45ACP bigot, and it's my preferred carry weapon, but my good friend at work has a Springfield XD chambered for the .40. It gets good reviews, is ballistically superior to the 9mm and is easy to shoot IMHO. I know you wrote that you have a preference for the H&K or the Sig, and they're both fine pistols, but consider the XD. :-)
4 posted on 01/22/2011 5:26:52 PM PST by hiredhand
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I just bought a Beretta PX4 Storm Sub-Compact in 9mm and it’s the best “small” handgun I’ve ever had. 13 round magazine (don’t ask me how they do that...black hole technology??), very pleasant to shoot, and as accurate as my big Beretta.


5 posted on 01/22/2011 5:27:55 PM PST by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: skimask

The SP101 is good for 9mm. Glock or Sig for 40 cal.


6 posted on 01/22/2011 5:28:57 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Glock 27 in .40, it works.
Superb, coming from a .45 fan.


7 posted on 01/22/2011 5:31:48 PM PST by 9422WMR (Illegal is not a race.)
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To: skimask
Talk to people who shoot them

Try message boards, of course opinions will vary

An indoor range near here rents handguns by the hour. $40 to use their firearm plus a box of 50 rounds and one hour range time. Not a bad deal

8 posted on 01/22/2011 5:32:07 PM PST by TYVets
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To: skimask
Can't go wrong with either. Personally I think H&K make some of the best guns. The Sig226 was used by the Navy until the H&K Mark 23 came out, so its a very reliable gun.

Find a range where you can rent either or, and have your son try them both.

9 posted on 01/22/2011 5:32:43 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: skimask

This is not personal, so please don’t take it that way, but...I am not a fan of laser sights. I believe that, for the most part, laser sights are a great feature to show a customer when someone is selling them a gun. The reality is that all the laser sights, red dots, tritium, gps homing bullets, or other fancy gizmos won’t do you any good if you can’t control the trigger. If you master the trigger, the rest of that stuff will lose it’s value to you. Control that trigger and you will win that gunfight. No gizomos needed.


10 posted on 01/22/2011 5:32:57 PM PST by scottfactor
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To: skimask

Having larger hands, I never liked sub-compacts.

During the past year, I was in the market for the exact same thing, and I got a Springfield Armory XD .40 compact(their next to smallest size). The mags will hold 12 flush fit, it’s as accurate as you’d want it to be, and they are rock solid. Like you, the HK handguns have always been my favorite, but you can’t beat the XD for a solid semiauto carry gun.


11 posted on 01/22/2011 5:34:56 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: scottfactor

Makes good sense...Thank you


12 posted on 01/22/2011 5:35:44 PM PST by skimask
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To: scottfactor

I like to use a laser when I’m doing dry-fire practice. It really shows you where you make the gun move. But, when the bullets go in, the laser comes off.


13 posted on 01/22/2011 5:35:55 PM PST by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: MS.BEHAVIN

Thanks


14 posted on 01/22/2011 5:36:40 PM PST by skimask
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To: skimask

My son tried to reply but I guess his account is still in the verification process or something.

Anyway, his questions are:
What will it be used for? Home/self defense? Range? Concealed carry? Does the person have prior firearm experience? And what is his stature?


15 posted on 01/22/2011 5:36:40 PM PST by RoseyT (Piney Woods of East Texas)
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To: skimask

I’m partial to Glocks (hard to beat a G19 or G23), but think the new Springfield XD[M] is real nice too.

Sig has sort of a unique thing going with their P250 2SUM. You get a 9mm and .40 cal together for a lot less than the price of 2 guns.


16 posted on 01/22/2011 5:37:25 PM PST by smokingfrog (BORN free - taxed to DEATH)
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To: skimask
Is he a pygmy? If not good gun leather and full size 1911 are the only choices. No Sig, no hk, no glock, no double action semi, no magazine disconnect silliness, no double stack, fat grip junk. You can not tell which gun is best until you have them in leather and on your person . Overall size is one one factor. 1911s are flat and one of the easiest guns to carry with more options,accessories, parts and availability of set up and repair know how, than any 10 other guns.

1911 and Milt Sparks leather.

He might have to learn I'm right the hard way, but he will have fun doing it and he will then think he discovered 1911 singlehandedly . Most pistoleers do. Good luck

17 posted on 01/22/2011 5:37:44 PM PST by kbennkc
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To: hiredhand

I have an XD 40 and am very pleased. I called the company with some questions and the person I delt with was very knowledgeable and helpful.


18 posted on 01/22/2011 5:37:52 PM PST by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: Bryanw92

He looked at the Beretta PX4 and liked it.


19 posted on 01/22/2011 5:38:17 PM PST by skimask
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To: skimask
I am particularly fond of CZ products. The RAMI is their entry in the subcompact field. It can be had in .40 or 9mm.


20 posted on 01/22/2011 5:39:28 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: 9422WMR

Thanks


21 posted on 01/22/2011 5:39:40 PM PST by skimask
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To: kbennkc

He can handle his self. He needs something his wife can handle too. No disrespect to a 45. A great weapon


22 posted on 01/22/2011 5:41:39 PM PST by skimask
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To: Joe 6-pack

Thanks that’s a nice one


23 posted on 01/22/2011 5:42:27 PM PST by skimask
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To: TYVets

Good idea.....thanks


24 posted on 01/22/2011 5:43:45 PM PST by skimask
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To: skimask

You’re at the top of the food chain with either of those. A bigger bullet is always nice, but modern 9mm ammo is very good.

I’d say go with the one you like the fit, ergonomics, and trigger on best.


25 posted on 01/22/2011 5:44:04 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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To: smokingfrog

Thank you


26 posted on 01/22/2011 5:47:01 PM PST by skimask
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To: scottfactor

Lasers and red dots are, for training, sort of a modern version of an old technique of Ed McGivern’s (probably the most proficient revolver shooter of all time) in the 30’s. He suggested putting a dot of red paint on a mirror, lining up the muzzle of the revolver on it, and dry firing at increasing speed until you were steady.

Given he put 5 shots in a playing card at 15 feet in 2/5 of a second out of a S&W .38 revolver in 1934 he might have a point.


27 posted on 01/22/2011 5:48:27 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I have a Sig 226 9mm but I want that H & K 40 like a hog wants slop. That 40SW round packs a punch.


28 posted on 01/22/2011 5:49:34 PM PST by skimask
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To: skimask

A SIG P226 is a full sized gun; I have one. If you have smaller hands, like I do, the SIG is a good fit. Instead of the P226, go with a SIG P229. It’s a compact size pistol. I also like Kahr pistols; they’re small and very flat, but pricey. However, if you want good stopping power, and a compact size, it’s hard to beat a single action 1911 45ACP ( as mentioned above)in either Commander size or a more compact version. Colt, Kimber, and Springfield Armory (to name a few makers) make good 1911’s. Kimber came out last year with a bobtail version of the 1911 to improve concealability.


29 posted on 01/22/2011 5:53:18 PM PST by tony549 (Stuck in SoCal)
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To: skimask

.45 he’ll want out of the 9mm first time he tries a .45
Just save some time and money.


30 posted on 01/22/2011 5:53:25 PM PST by C0y0Te
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To: skimask

You cannot beat the Sig 226 if you have that kind of money


31 posted on 01/22/2011 5:53:41 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: skimask
Go with this and get the laser grip too...
32 posted on 01/22/2011 5:55:04 PM PST by NYTexan
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To: RoseyT

Yes he has hand gun exp. looking for self defense. Thanks


33 posted on 01/22/2011 5:57:04 PM PST by skimask
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I’ve shot and enjoyed a SIG 225 (the single stack version of the 226)and thought it was a great gun.

No experience with that particular H&K, although I do have a fondness for their funky P7 series (referred to as a “staple gun” by Jeff Cooper, as reported to me by the honorable FReeper Squantos).

I’m actually a .38 Super fan, when it’s loaded close to the 125 grain .357 levels.


34 posted on 01/22/2011 5:57:04 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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To: skimask

Xd or Glock.


35 posted on 01/22/2011 5:57:59 PM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic is now on Kindle.)
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To: scottfactor
This is not personal, so please don’t take it that way, but...I am not a fan of laser sights. I believe that, for the most part, laser sights are a great feature to show a customer when someone is selling them a gun. The reality is that all the laser sights, red dots, tritium, gps homing bullets, or other fancy gizmos won’t do you any good if you can’t control the trigger. If you master the trigger, the rest of that stuff will lose it’s value to you. Control that trigger and you will win that gunfight. No gizomos needed.

I could not disagree any more. Which just goes to show how much personal preference has to do with this subject.

36 posted on 01/22/2011 5:59:31 PM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic is now on Kindle.)
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To: skimask
He needs something his wife can handle too.

This tells me he needs to forget the .40 unless his wife has relatively large hands and has experience with the sharp recoil of this cartridge. The overwhelming majority of women will not find the .40 to be an experience they care to repeat with regular range time.

37 posted on 01/22/2011 6:00:53 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: skimask

One of each. Just in case.


38 posted on 01/22/2011 6:02:31 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Travis McGee
Xd or Glock.

I did some R&D work with a former Delta Operator who swore by Glock for two reasons. One, it was reliable with whatever he could find, and two, he could throw it out of the bus window while getting out of Dodge without regrets.

I don't know what he would have thought of the XD, he bought the farm in Iraq in '04.

39 posted on 01/22/2011 6:04:22 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I agree with his thinking. The protagonist in my new book carries a Glock for those very reasons. And after you throw one out the bus window (or overboard) you can get one just like it anywhere, anytime just about.


40 posted on 01/22/2011 6:06:13 PM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic is now on Kindle.)
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To: skimask

When you mentioned his wife’s use , the additional attention and training for a double action semi auto came to mind. Two very different trigger pulls. Not to say bad, just the first shot is very different from the rest. I’m sure you will see to training and practice. Remind them - glasses and ear protection . safety safety .Good luck, God bless.


41 posted on 01/22/2011 6:08:57 PM PST by kbennkc
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To: skimask

Input from my firearms enthusiast son. He’s young but he knows his stuff.

Since he has handgun experience and his wife will be using it also, I would recommend any of these.
Sig p229 9mm/40 S&W
Glock 19 9mm
Glock 23 40 S&W
Ruger SR9C 9mm
Beretta Px4 compact 9mm
Springfield XD compact 9mm/40 S&W

And mandatory for any home defense firearm, it has to have a flashlight mounted (Streamlight TlR-3 is the best option) because identifying your target is the most important thing.


42 posted on 01/22/2011 6:11:51 PM PST by RoseyT (Piney Woods of East Texas)
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To: skimask
need help

Easy answer: Buy the firearm that he can consistantly and reliably shoot with accuracy, and is confortable in his hand.

Long answer: Read the whole thread.

43 posted on 01/22/2011 6:15:50 PM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: skimask
My wife has an XD compact in .40, and she loves it. It was the first ‘plastic’ gun I ever had fun shooting.

Still like my 1911s better, but that's a lot of iron to strap on every day, for most people.

44 posted on 01/22/2011 6:16:55 PM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: skimask

Glock 17 9mm. In 9mm round is ubiquitous.


45 posted on 01/22/2011 6:17:24 PM PST by lqcincinnatus (Silence in the face of evil is itself evil.)
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To: kbennkc

I have to agree, 1911, is the way to, sheer stopping power, ease of shooting and like Kbennkc wrote, it’s a slim gun, fits nice. Springfield and Kimber both make very excellent .45s in a variety of models.


46 posted on 01/22/2011 6:18:53 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: skimask

with a single stack mag, a .45 will fit a woman’s hand too. I can only speak for kimber on this part, but recoil is very manageable as the weight of the gun takes some out of it too. I have no trouble popping off multiple fast shots.


47 posted on 01/22/2011 6:20:31 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: kbennkc

Agreed.....nothing I’ve shot to date compares to my Kimber 1911.

Well....maybe the Wilson Combat CQB but it’s a bit rich for me right now.:)


48 posted on 01/22/2011 6:29:48 PM PST by AZamericonnie (No trees were destroyed in posting this message, but many electrons were terribly inconvenienced!)
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To: skimask

What do you want this firearm for?

Concealed carry, home defense, car/truck gun, range gun?

Who will be using this firearm?

Are they small or large statured?

Do they have prior experience with firearms?


49 posted on 01/22/2011 6:34:26 PM PST by Kyle7735
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To: skimask

.40 cal is recommended. I carry concealed everyday and I love my Sig. I would suggest you go with what feels best in your hands. I also love H&K for its reliability. You can’t go wrong with either brand


50 posted on 01/22/2011 6:34:35 PM PST by privateizs
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