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To: Munz
In order to be natural born he would have to be born of a mother and father who were american citizens.

That's an assertion that does not have the weight of a Supreme Court decision behind it. Most scholars believe that the 14th Amendment renders the argument moot and anyone born on U.S. soil would become a natural born citizen. I believe that the court, if asked the question, would agree with that position. The fact that no challenge to Obama was raised when he claimed to be born of a Kenyan father and an American mother is a foreshadow of what a court might rule, but we'll never know until a case is brought. BTW, Lolo Soetoro was never an American citizen.

128 posted on 02/15/2011 5:25:35 AM PST by centurion316
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To: centurion316; Munz; devattel

Amendment XIV doesn’t redefine anything in Article II.

‘This is because “Citizen of the United States” is mentioned in both, but “Natural Born Citizen” is only mentioned in one. All Amendment XIV did was redefine the citizenship of citizens born before 1787, to which almost all of these people were deceased at the time the Amendment was ratified. So, we can see even the “Citizen of the United States” in Article II was unchanged since no child born before 1787 was natural born. All citizens born before 1787 were naturalized.’

Thanks to devattel for the quote.


136 posted on 02/15/2011 1:04:46 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: centurion316

>That’s an assertion that does not have the weight of a Supreme Court decision behind it. Most scholars believe that the 14th Amendment renders the argument moot and anyone born on U.S. soil would become a natural born citizen.<

No actually most federal judges believe that the assertion that to be natural born, the place of birth is not as important as the parents that you are born to.
This was even proven by a former federal judge and senator, (which by the way Obama agreed with) during the senate confirmation of John McCain.

They agreed that the only requirement that they really knew of was that the child must be born to “American Citizens”

I don’t know of any real constitutional experts who differ on this matter.
What they do agree upon is that anyone born on American soil, no matter what the parentage is that the person is a “Native born”.

even on Obama’s own web site of fight the smears he claims to be a “Native born” .. which is Not the same as “Natural born”

See: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

It is a play on words that is often mistaken and Obama has taken advantage of it.


148 posted on 02/15/2011 1:50:22 PM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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