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To: Colonel Kangaroo
I believe the country was created to be a voluntary union of the several sovereign states. I think that Lincoln misunderstood this and used the tyrannical power of the federal government to create one centralized body which would be ruled from Washington.

I consider Lincoln to be a very bad president. He used force to impose the power of government on people who did not wish to be subject to that power. Not what this country was created for.

2 posted on 02/21/2011 1:05:51 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’m glad I am not the only one to feel that way.


4 posted on 02/21/2011 1:09:38 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I believe the country was created to be a voluntary union of the several sovereign states.

You are incorrect.

5 posted on 02/21/2011 1:11:10 PM PST by Huck (one per-center)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Ah, you beat me to it while I was typing. I was taqsked to read “Lincoln on Leadership.” After reading that book about that man, I think you give him far too much credit.

“I think that Lincoln misunderstood this and used the tyrannical power of the federal government to create one centralized body which would be ruled from Washington.”

I think that’s like saying that Obama is misunderstanding the Constitution. The face is, Lincoln said he would (I’m paraphrasing, I’d have to go look it up) essentially destroy the Constitution to preserve the Union. It wasn’t about slavery, it wasn’t about what was right, it was about power, pure and simple.

“He used force to impose the power of government on people who did not wish to be subject to that power. Not what this country was created for.”

Exactly. And he would ask his Generals to use their best judgement, and then overstep and micromanage them, and passive agressively berate them. Not to mention forcing his way into people’s homes when they disagreed with him, and badgering them until they did what he wanted. He was, in every sense of the word, a tyrant.


9 posted on 02/21/2011 1:13:44 PM PST by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I consider Lincoln to be a very bad president. He used force to impose the power of government on people who did not wish to be subject to that power. Not what this country was created for.

But what about the institution of slavery imposing the power of government on people who did not wish to be subject to that power?

And what about the many thousands of Unionist Southerners who were compelled by Confederate governmental force to be subject to Confederate power?

The secessionists should have left well enough alone. The desire to facilitate the spread of slavery was not a sufficient cause (Declaration of Independence) to destroy the long established government of Washington and the Founders.

12 posted on 02/21/2011 1:16:31 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: ClearCase_guy
"I believe the country was created to be a voluntary union of the several sovereign states. I think that Lincoln misunderstood this and used the tyrannical power of the federal government to create one centralized body which would be ruled from Washington.

I consider Lincoln to be a very bad president. He used force to impose the power of government on people who did not wish to be subject to that power. Not what this country was created for.

Spot on, spot on! Lincoln was a tyrant, pure and simple. Mandatory membership in the Union is antithetical to the founding principles of our nation and the Framers.

15 posted on 02/21/2011 1:34:32 PM PST by ronnyquest (Barack H. Obama is the Manchurian Candidate. What are you going to do about it?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I believe the country was created to be a voluntary union of the several sovereign states.

If it is a voluntary union of the several sovereign states then why is permission needed for a new state to join? That sounds like an organization that controls who it lets in.

30 posted on 02/21/2011 2:27:20 PM PST by K-Stater
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To: ClearCase_guy

1. Washington
2. Lincoln
3. Reagan

The conservative picks.


50 posted on 02/21/2011 3:30:29 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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