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To: gorush

I don’t understand expressing the opinion to begin with. JimRob has made his beliefs and what this site stands for crystal clear many, many times since I’ve been a member and told those who don’t like his standards to take a hike. Why do you stay if the Christian aspect bothers you so? Others have told you it’s possible to block the Religion Forum. At a minimum, that should solve your problem.


84 posted on 02/26/2011 4:44:29 PM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (You will try to nudge commies toward the truth, while they try to nudge you toward the cattle cars.)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

I admit, in terms of expressing my opinions, I oftentimes just can’t restrain myself.


85 posted on 02/26/2011 4:48:27 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett; gorush
"Why do you stay if the Christian aspect bothers you so?"

I don't think it's the 'Christian aspect' that bothers gorush, but the decidedly un-Christian tone that many religious threads ultimately degrade into.

Rather than pointing up those things which unite us, lots of 'Christian' threads focus on the things that separate us.

Ultimately FreeRepublic is trying to aid in the efforts to bring our nation back to one that is governed by a Constitutionally limited government. Arguments about whether a particular political battle should be fought at the state or national level, whether the Patriot Act is helping to protect us against Islamic extremists or may be overstepping our liberties, what were the causes of the recent financial meltdown and what can we do to extricate ourselves and prevent future occurrences, etc. will help to advance that cause. Arguments about whether or not Calvinist beliefs are opposed to free will, whether or not the earth was created ~6,000 years ago, whether the rapture will occur before or after the apocalypse, whether or not members of the LDS church can rightfully claim to be Christian, etc. don't seem to do anything except cause us to want to ring each others' necks.

Some will claim that any kind of argument is useful for us to hone our debating skills in general. However, the religion threads are notorious for their horrible lack of good argumentation. Ad hominem attacks, circular reasoning, unstated premises, appeals to faith, etc. are just a few examples. As well there is a definite antagonism to philosophy in general by some Freepers. Logic is supposedly OK (if not often adhered to) because it is seen by some Freepers as commonsense or simple as arithmetic. However, philosophy in general is considered suspect. If a particular disputant can use philosophy to advance his position then he will. Failing, he will claim that the wisdom of God confounds man's finite reasoning and launch in with the ad hominem remarks ("How dare you question the infinite wisdom of God", "You need to get right with your Maker and then the truth will become obvious", etc.)

When you think about it, probably the most positive religious threads are the Joel Osteen ones. Whatever your opinion of Osteen are, those threads are merely the statement of one man's opinion which may or may not help advance the cause of FreeRepublic. There is no nastiness, no poor debating, no invocation of historical 'facts' that turn out to be myths, and no appeal to conspiracy theories.

88 posted on 02/27/2011 12:02:07 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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