Posted on 02/28/2011 1:23:12 AM PST by Washi
I am planning to purchase a shotgun. I'm fairly certain that I will be buying the Remington 870 Express, synthetic. I do have some questions, though.
I'm not experienced at all with shotguns. I've read that the barrel can be changed out on the Remington 870 and I am wondering to what extent that is true. What I am hoping is that I can buy one shotgun, and by purchasing a couple of additional barrels, I can have a true multi-tasker.
Can I, for example, buy the 870 with the 18 inch barrel, and the magazine extension so that I have a 7 shot, home defense shotgun, then remove the magazine extension, and replace the barrel with a 22 or 24 inch barrel to have a fowl and small game shotgun, then swap the barrel again with a rifled slug barrel (with gun sights) and have a deer gun?
Is it as simple as buying any 870 express and just swapping out the barrels?
Any additional nuggets of wisdom you can impart (re: shotguns) would be appreciated.
Takes longer to talk about it than it does to change it :)
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I have a 870 Magnum, for home defense. If you are in a densely wooded area, and you think the shot on the deer would be < 80 yards, just get double aught (00) buckshot and use your full choke barrel or the modified choke.
You will find it slings enough pellets to stop a deer, and you have a much better chance of hitting it, at maybe 50 yards, full choke you will pattern about the size of an unfolded sheet of newspaper, give or take a little.
If you have a “small” home with smallish rooms, I might consider the shorter barrel for home defense. I use my regular field barrel.
I have an 870 made in the mid-50’s and the barrel is held by a single hand tighr nut and can quickly be removed and replaced. I suppose they atill have this feature. I now shoot a double/ The 879 is a great Piece, and it or the Mossberg
should satisfy your need for a pump Shotgun.
Just get a Mossberg 500 with dual barrels.
It’s cheaper and very reliable.
Police departments and the military use it.
The barrel you care about is 18.5” and if you want to install the longer barrel for hunting it’s as simple as turning a a screw by hand.
They can be had from Big5 for less than $300 when they are on sale.
They accept all loads in 2 3/4 and 3 inch rounds.
I personally use the 2 3/4 rounds as there is no demonstrable difference in performance for home defense.
As long as the gauge and chamberings match, you will be OK. For instance, you can only put a 12 GA barrel on a 12 GA, and pay special attention to the markings on the receiver. If it is marked 2-3/4”, you need to use a barrel marked 2-3/4”, if it is marked 3” use a 2-3/4” or 3” barrel, and lastly if it is marked 3-1/2” use 2-3/4”, 3”, or 3-1/2”. But you are limited to the shells that match the barrel markings. For instance, don’t try to use a 3” shell in a 3” gun with a 2-3/4” barrel, it won’t work you have to use 2-3/4”.
If you use a Mossberg 500 as Vendome stated, you won't have to modify the magazine tube, and you can also exchange barrels. There are just as many barrel options for the Mossberg as the 870, and Mossberg's tend to run less expensive and are just as reliable. The plus wit a Mossberg is that the safety is locates on the tang (top of the receiver where the stock meets the receiver, and is more easily accessed by most folks without having to adjust your shooting grip. This also makes it a little easier for left-handed shooters.
Here is a good wright up on the advantages of #1 over 00, http://firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm
Whichever round you choose remember to practice, practice, practice.
And one last thing before I forget, the commonly reported saying that just the sound of a pump shotgun being "racked" scares off intruders is a fallacy. It puts you at a disadvantage, first it gives away you position, second it suggest that you are starting with an unloaded weapon (really bad in my book), and if so you loose the advantage of the extra round. I don't want the bad guy to hear me rack the slide. I want them to hear BOOM, end of story.
The Remington 870 is the industry standard firearm for totally screwing up a bad guys whole life. There is no telling just how many reprobates either met their Maker or had a come to Jesus moment after looking at the business end of this weapon.
I own both a 870 and a Mossberg 500. Either will leave a perp just as dead as the other. Both have options available to fit it up the way you want it. If money is a prime consideration, the Mossberg will run a bit less than the 870. The difference? If you have ever fired a Colt 1911 and anything else chambered in .45ACP and really favored the Colt, you will have to have a 870. If you can’t really tell any difference, get the Mossberg and save the money.
OK you Kimber, Springfield, Glock, etc. shooters, let the flaming commence, lol.
One more thing, what ever “gauge” you choose, Brownell’s.com is a great place for barrels, magazine extensions, etc.
Sorry about the language usage errors, the coffee maker just finished. Whichever you choose, good luck. A shotgun is a very versatile tool. Take care of it and it will take care of you.
LOL!
Got my vote.
[but I gotta brace myself against something or the recoil will knock me down]....LOL
I have an 870 synthetic like you iquire about.
Changed the grip to a pistol grip and the barrel to a 19 incher.
Easy to do and then look in to Centurion ammo for it. A large ball bearing surrounded by ten small ones. They will stop a bull of a guy.
Also it takes an allen wrench and screwdriver to change back so you can still use it to trap shoot.
...And if you’re ever worried that you might not be able to take care of “it” as well as you might like (for instance if the weapon is to be kept in less-than-ideal humidity) you might opt for the Mossberg 500 in stainless and composite.
Some good feedback...
I have owned this shotgun for more than a year now:
http://www.maverickarms.com/pages/88security.htm
It is a cheaper version of the Mossberg 500 series, but with the 18.5” barrel. If you remove the wooden dowel from the magazine, it will hold 5 in the magazine and 1 in the chamber, 6 total. But the dowel is required by federal law to make the maximum load be 3 shells for bird hunting, IIRC.
If you are caught bird hunting with a shotgun that holds more than the maximum, you will be fined big time.
A large ball bearing surrounded by ten small ones.
The old “buck and ball” round of the War between the States!
This is good advice. I've seen those specials at Big 5 many times. Not a bad deal.
Personally, my shotgun of choice is the Mossberg 590a1. I just love its parkerized finish, ported barrel, rifle sights, and the M9 bayonet that is included with it.
LLS
An 870 is a good platform to build upon. Great for small game. Barrel change outs are just a twist of the knob in front of the pump.
Lean against a wall....
LOL
“Easy to do and then look in to Centurion ammo for it. A large ball bearing surrounded by ten small ones. They will stop a bull of a guy.”
The Centurion ammo sounds interesting.
Depending on your situation, overpenetration may be an issue though. Overpenetration is when (some) of your projectiles either miss or penetrate your intended target, then go on to pass through something you didn’t intend - such as your wall, your neighbor’s wall, and your neighbor. Or perhaps your child in the next room.
I’d recommend erring on the side of caution in this area. Many recommend #4 buckshot for home defense. It has plenty of penetration to be fatal (particularly for head shots) but will tend to stay in the walls a bit better. Bear in mind that at closer ranges the shot will act more like one big mass, and you will get a 1-3” hole in the intruder rather than multiple smaller holes.
The #4 buckshot is .24” in diameter, and you get twenty one pellets in a 1 oz. 2 3/4” load. That’s as opposed to eight .33” pellets using 00 buck. I’d also advocate using the 2 3/4” shells, there’s no need at all for 3” or 3 1/2”. The 2 3/4” shells are much more “user friendly”, meaning they won’t recoil as much.
Piece of pie. Easy as cake.
Note that you can't do this with most autoloaders - each new barrel needs to be headspaced by a gunsmith just like a rifle. With the 870, or any pump action (but why buy any pump action, or any shotgun, except the 870?), just switcheroo. Don't torque it down too much... you'll know what I mean when you do it.
Happy shooting. Use eye and ear protection, use AA target loads for practice and save your empties.
You can swap barrels to your heart’s content. You proposed getting the 7 shot 870 Express synthetic with the extended mag, which is a great idea. As someone else mentioned if you get the non-extended mag version it has the dimpled mag tube which makes it hard to add a mag extension, but if you get the factory extended mag version (model 25077) it doesn’t have the dimples. To change barrels you’d just remove the mag extension/barrel nut and replace it with a regular barrel nut and you may need a shorter mag spring. Another good thing about the 7 shot 870 Express Synthetic is that it can be had in 20 gauge too, if you’re so inclined.
I agree 100%.
Taurus Judge works real well.
Re: racking the slide
By the time the perp hears the racking of the slide you aren’t
unloaded anymore!!
Thank you. The ol' "Rack the slide" has gotta be one of the most tragic ideas on earth. It seems to show up on every thread.
Okay, a teen-ager looking to make off with your TV will mess his pants. Same teen-ager or anyone else on some kind of drug might not even register the sound and their reaction will be unpredictable. Funny thing how the brain gets messed up when drugs are introduced.
A professional criminal will be armed and he'll shoot in the direction of the sound. Don't give away the best advantage you have on him - surprise.
Thank you all for the great advice and information. I love FreeRepublic.
Yeah, but in the time it takes you to pump the gun you could’ve gotten a round off. Starting off unloaded puts you at a disadvantage, period.
Yep though packaged in conveniant little 12 ga. shotgun shells.
You doing alright in Va. R. Scott?
Winter about over there?
I unde4rstand what you are trying to say.
I live in a pretty large house on 4 acres.
IF I shoot, in my home there is little chance of hitting anyone other than the intended.
I’ll stick with the centurion,
Check out who uses it.
With one of these:
Keeps the nose safe if you are a 'crawler'.
With one of these:
Keeps the nose safe if you are a 'crawler'.
Winter here is off and on. Temps in the high 70s today, low 50s tomorrow. I won’t trust it until about May.
Wall, fence post, tree, truck fender....they all work.
;]
Hubby would have a snit fit.
The Moss is “his”.
I much prefer my 1963 Centennial Winchester 30.30 or the Beretta 9mm.
[you stick with what ya grew up using, ya know?]
I don’t dare show him that stock..he might buy it just to ‘accessorize’ the Moss.
It’s bad enough the AR15 gets more “toys” than I do.....;D
[what’s a crawler? a puny person that the gun knocks flat and then has trouble getting back up again?]
“Temps in the high 70s today”
It’s cold and raining here.
I have a Harley and I’m losing my freaking mind waiting for some “warm”, even if it’s “off and on”.
I hate you.
/jk
;-D
Someone who inches forward on a stock. If you had this on the Mossberg, shooting it would be alot more fun. Zero recoil.
Is it as simple as buying any 870 express and just swapping out the barrels?
Almost. There should be no problem with the barrel swaps, and that idea is so popular and there are so many 870s out there that some other manufacturers sell accessory barrels for the 870.
You may have a minor problem adding the magazine extension, however. Some of the Express versions have had *dimples* pressed into the sides of the magazine tube, apparantly to drive customers desiring the guns for security purposes to other manufacturers or to Remington's more higher-priced security models. Not a problem.
The dimples can be either pressed out with a swedging tool, or simply drilled out, and the mag extension will then work fine. Some of the Express 870s lack the ball-bearing detent used to latch the barrel in place, but this can be easily overcome by adding an accessory magazine tube clamp, which both better supports the front of the mag extension and provides a place for a front sling swivel. BTW, the Choate mag extension kit comes with the clamp included.
Eat your heart out!
Check first to see if your state allows buckshot to be used for deer hunting. This state does not.
The reason for this and most other cartridge rules is they want you to have the most likely kill shot on the deer for the first round rather than wounding it.
For deer hunting where only shotgun is allowed, I use a rifled barrel on my Mossberg 500 with Lightfield- brand sabot slugs. Absolute tack driver at 100 yards. My wife shot her first deer in 2001 in Ohio with this setup.
I am going to be checking shops for this home defense shotgun in .20 gauge.
Winchester model 1300 defender
Carl Alexander
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:27:42 PM by calex59
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1519144/posts
I purchased an 18” rem-choke barrel with rifle sights for my 870. With a rifled choke tube it puts slugs on target at 100 yds handily, and patterns buckshot at 25 yds. That barrel with an extra full works well for turkeys.
The original long barrel gets the nod for clay pigeons and pheasants.
No mag extension, but it hold 4+1 with the plug removed.
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