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Sex Is Cheap
Slate ^ | Feb. 25, 2011 | Mark Regnerus

Posted on 03/01/2011 4:34:44 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o

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To: TexasTransplant; Lazmataz; Clemenza

Laz pulls that joke off better than I do

Laz should have a disclaimer

“Don’t try this at home folks, I’m a trained professional”

TT


101 posted on 03/01/2011 7:55:56 PM PST by TexasTransplant (I got your Alla Akbar and your 72 Virgins... when ya wanna meet up?)
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To: Persevero

‘Their victory will largely depend on our weakness; not their strength.’

Sad but true.


102 posted on 03/01/2011 8:02:23 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Colin Firth Rules!)
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To: tet68

Disclaimer: I am not now and do not expect to be, in a
relationship at any time in the future. I have a dog.

___________________

Somehow, telling us that you have a dog doesnt help your case here.


103 posted on 03/01/2011 8:05:31 PM PST by Chickensoup (“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face — forever.” Orwell)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Exactly. It amazes me that some posters here fail to realize that dating and relationships are a two way street. Both sides are so busy ‘getting even’.


104 posted on 03/01/2011 8:22:55 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: seowulf
LOL! Actually one of the most interesting things Malcolm X wrote, was that if a woman provides a home for a man, and (NOT politically correct) treats him like a king in his castle, that he'll never stray. Men DO like to come home to a good looking, sexually appealing wife who can cook and maintain a household. Sorry, but true.

Why go out for hamburger when you have steak at home?

105 posted on 03/01/2011 8:39:36 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Not “liberating”; turning them into libertines. And the women, too. Feminism started from envy. And went downhill after that. It’s pure evil.


106 posted on 03/01/2011 9:17:35 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: All

First and foremost, I cannot believe that none of you have anykind of meaningful relationship. Some have hinted of it, but none defined. I thank God everyday for my wife. She loves, cares, and adores me. I, in turn, love, care, and adore her. We are by no means a perfect couple. She wakes me in the morning, and kisses me goodnight. She curses me in the morning and kisses me in the evening. I’ve never had better....well I won’t go there.

Thank you God for blessing me (and cursing me sometimes,LOL) for this beautiful woman.

secondly, I can’t believe I’m up so late!


107 posted on 03/01/2011 9:22:02 PM PST by Sparky21555
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To: boop
Men DO like to come home to a good looking, sexually appealing wife who can cook and maintain a household.

Not only do they like it, they respect it. There's nothing quite like a woman who can take care of the kids and make things run like a clock.

It takes skill and a smart man knows it and appreciates it.

108 posted on 03/01/2011 9:33:19 PM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Travis McGee

You got it. I have seen more young women live with a guy for a while, the guy leaves for greener pastures, and she is left wondering why he didn’t marry her.


109 posted on 03/01/2011 11:03:16 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Breaking news. Women like sex.


110 posted on 03/01/2011 11:16:36 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: redgolum; Huck

it was about empowering less attractive women

pretty women have always been empowered and transcendent


111 posted on 03/01/2011 11:39:15 PM PST by wardaddy (FUHB)
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To: Popman
I for one am glad your offspring are perfect makes life so easy I am jealous of you / s

Not at all. I have no illusions about being perfect. My only point is that we can't sit back and blame the upcoming generation for their faults without accepting at least some of the responsibility for them. Maybe we didn't participate in ruining this culture and destroying the roles of men and women in our society, but what did we do to stop it? What did we do to promote the healthy and strong cultural values? We get on FR and bitch about how the government schools are corrupting our youth, but what have we done to correct it? Only the homeschoolers have actually done something. It makes no sense to me to ridicule the young for their faults without realizing that, as the older generation, we have failed.
112 posted on 03/02/2011 12:45:11 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Philippians is one of my favorite books. We had the first two chapters memorized at one point ... I think I’ll make committing the whole thing to memory my project for Lent!

I’m reminded of the lines of Robert Burns, about “seeing ourselves as others see us.” If we all looked at ourselves with illusion, we’d have fewer complaints about others!


113 posted on 03/02/2011 3:07:52 AM PST by Tax-chick (James is still hungry.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I don’t know. It does seem to me that many of today’s young women have different goals than I did, but that’s really the extent of my awareness and understanding of this issue.


114 posted on 03/02/2011 4:25:27 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wardaddy

Look at the history of it, and how it was presented in the 1700’s.

It was more about having multiple sex partners for men.


115 posted on 03/02/2011 4:25:53 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Imho, Charlie is bi-polar. That’s an entirely different issue.


116 posted on 03/02/2011 4:30:42 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: seowulf
"If he’s in his 50’s, ugly as hell, but RICH, he’ll have his pick of the litter."
If he wants to stay rich, he'll let somebody else pick up the litter.

Over 50, he can have a vasectomy and decline to marry. She can live in his mansion as long as she behaves. He just needs to be careful of not letting the arrangement be considered a common-law marriage, and be careful of "palimony".

117 posted on 03/02/2011 4:35:36 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Lorianne
That doesn't prove women don't want casual sex. It proves that women are smart enough to know that situation proposed is very dangerous.

It proves that you have to buy a woman a few drinks and pretend to find them interesting first, whereas a man is willing to skip all that and just drop trow.

118 posted on 03/02/2011 4:59:11 AM PST by Huck (Only 1,967 years until the Reign of Dr. Zaius!)
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To: wardaddy
it was about empowering less attractive women pretty women have always been empowered and transcendent

One of Rush Limbaugh's undeniable truths.

119 posted on 03/02/2011 5:01:08 AM PST by Huck (Only 1,967 years until the Reign of Dr. Zaius!)
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To: Popman

haha Some freepers are perfect, perfect families, perfect jobs, perfect healthcare, not to mention great looking and in fabulous shape.

You have been around here long enough to know that.
I wanna ask them (if you are so perfect, why do you feel the need to brag about it and and attempt to dress down your fellow man in a public forum?)
They should out volunteering nd staying on top of perfection instead of showing off online


120 posted on 03/02/2011 5:08:02 AM PST by winodog
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To: mamelukesabre
The irony is that women’s liberation ended up liberating men instead. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
only the ones that don’t want kids.

In the inner cities, there are lots of men being "baby daddy" to lots of kids, without feeling much need to support or raise them.

121 posted on 03/02/2011 5:14:23 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: The Antiyuppie

I know what you mean!


122 posted on 03/02/2011 5:17:25 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (No, I'm not kidding.)
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To: Clemenza

I’M STEALING THAT.


123 posted on 03/02/2011 5:27:03 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (No, I'm not kidding.)
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To: Tax-chick
I find some inconsistency: there’s lots of railing about “feminism” from men, and yet the laws and customs they dislike were enacted or accommodated by men. The laws particularly: men vastly outnumber women as legislators and judges.

Women make up more than 50% of voters. Legislators who want to get elected, and judges who want to be confirmed, tend to be aware of that fact, and that women tend to pay a lot of attention to "women issues" when they vote.

124 posted on 03/02/2011 5:33:04 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Jeff Gordon

Not news to me.


125 posted on 03/02/2011 5:33:53 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (No, I'm not kidding.)
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To: boop
LOL! Actually one of the most interesting things Malcolm X wrote, was that if a woman provides a home for a man, and (NOT politically correct) treats him like a king in his castle, that he'll never stray. Men DO like to come home to a good looking, sexually appealing wife who can cook and maintain a household. Sorry, but true. Why go out for hamburger when you have steak at home?

I read Malcolm X's autobiography. He had a lot of good observations, which might be why he was such an effective opinion leader.

His observation about wives is correct. A man is much more likely to stray is he doesn't feel appreciated at home. A wife who satisfies his needs is more valuable than a wife who just brings in a second income.

126 posted on 03/02/2011 5:37:01 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: wardaddy

Right...because before feminism, attractive women were running the world. /s


127 posted on 03/02/2011 6:19:42 AM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Your views?

I tend to agree with the article, and the more I think about it, the more complicated I believe that it is.

As for men, I believe that they have always tried to have as many exploits as possible, however they were only interested in marrying the right "kind" of woman. Loose women had a hard time finding a good man to marry them. Once a man found a woman he was interested in marrying, he would also have to win over her parents. This usually required an established position with good prospects for growth.

As for women, it was usually very difficult to live a comfortable life without either marrying a man with a good income or staying home with daddy. In order to ensure this, they had to carefully guard their reputation. Now women have been "liberated" and can respectably earn a comfortable income just as easily as men. The strong insentive for chastity has been effectively removed.
128 posted on 03/02/2011 6:23:27 AM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Travis McGee
A number of recent studies have shown that women on birth control tend to be attracted to more effeminate men. When they go off the pill, they tend to seek more masculine partners.

Study: Women on birth control pill attracted to quiche eaters

Birth control pill could put women off macho men?

129 posted on 03/02/2011 6:27:23 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: PapaBear3625
Women make up more than 50% of voters. Legislators who want to get elected, and judges who want to be confirmed, tend to be aware of that fact ...

Legislators and judges could still do the right thing. If they choose not to, they are betraying men, and humanity in general, for selfish gain.

130 posted on 03/02/2011 6:32:29 AM PST by Tax-chick (James is still hungry.)
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To: redgolum
sorry I lived through the women's lib no bra movements...it was led largely by urban not so pretty women with lesbian leaders

what made sex so much easier for me to obtain was the PILL not women's lib

women's lib did make women think they could act like men and be more openly randy...that is true but that is not why it happened

it happened because frustrated...mostly Jewish urban and bored suburban women (Lilith types)spearheaded a movement for more job parity and just sorta lived out this anti man sentiment they had harboured and if you look at most of them you can see why...most were never asked to the prom etc

and it went hand in hand with their red ideas about society anyhow

then other American women and media and Hollywood jumped in and it became all sorts of stuff and sold girls so much BS and eventually led to how screwed up we are today..in this area and empowered the rise of homosexuality more than any other single factor this side of all those Civil Rights acts since women so often have a fag hag tendency

but what really pushed promiscuity was the pill and all that free love casual sex stuff which I myself took part in before the Freidans, Steinheims, Faludis, Wolfes and Dworkins of the world became media darlings....women's lib though marching in the streets in say 71-74 did not become entrenched till say the movie Nine to Five...81 or so

131 posted on 03/02/2011 7:27:31 AM PST by wardaddy (FUHB)
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To: coop71; Huck; Travis McGee
it was as it should be that men are usually the leaders

but attractive women have always been very empowered and still are

look at all those Housewives shows

attractive women ..some fading...some not but once most were at the top of their game

none had jack before they married rich men..now look at them

it was always like that

now...women have something to prove and many..especially northern gals feel compelled to compete with the man..and be so chinny and strident

I love women...i take care of many in my family

and there are exceptions.....a few who lead well and whom I would put faith in

but as a rule women were not somewhat subordinate to men because men oppressed them but because it was the natural order and made sense..especially in times witjh less leisure and material discretion and convenience and wars were everyone male under 50 fought

not because men hated women ...now with Islam...well that is purposeful subjugation to keep women down for fidelity it seems

I have dealt with women for many many years...5 decades...they are simply different but as a rule..all things being equal men make better leaders and decision makers...especially under stress and can deal with group tension better

drama and inability to reason as readily is what brings women down...and their bodies have so much more effect on them

it's not because they are not smart

it's sorta like the Bible said...Head-Heart, respect and protect, nurture and maternal...we both have our roles

and there are exceptions

that's my take

132 posted on 03/02/2011 7:39:15 AM PST by wardaddy (FUHB)
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To: wardaddy
But as women, gaining economic autonomy, meet men in progressively bitterer competition, the rising masculine distrust and fear of them will be reflected even in the enchanted domain of marriage, and the husband, having yielded up most of his old rights, will begin to reveal anew jealousy of those that remain, and particularly of the right to a fair quid pro quo for his own docile industry. In brief, as women shake off their ancient disabilities they will also shake off some of their ancient immunities, and their doings will come to be regarded with a soberer and more exigent scrutiny than now prevails.

The extension of the suffrage, I believe, will encourage this awakening; in wresting it from the reluctant male the women of the western world have planted dragons' teeth, the which will presently leap up and gnaw them. Now that women have the political power to obtain their just rights, they will begin to lose their old power to obtain special privileges by sentimental appeals. Men, facing them squarely, will consider them anew, not as romantic political and social invalids, to be coddled and caressed, but as free competitors in a harsh world.

When that reconsideration gets under way there will be a general overhauling of the relations between the sexes, and some of the fair ones, I suspect, will begin to wonder why they didn't let well enough alone.

H.L. Mencken, 1922

133 posted on 03/02/2011 7:52:31 AM PST by Huck (On the list: Daniels, Trump, Gingrich, Huckabee; Off the list: Palin, Romney)
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To: Sopater
What you're saying here makes sense to me.

I also think women have (more prominently than men) a fairly strong inbuilt desire to bond emotionally and build a secure relationship with a man with whom they have shared their sexual embrace. This is not, of course, to say that there are not promiscuous, emotionally shut-down women; but these women have done violence to their inward "connective" nature.

This inward damage to women really troubles me. At some point I think most women will realize that transitory sexual alliances will maim them spiritually.

There are many Marilyn Monroes out there; but Marilyn Monroe was not a happy woman.

134 posted on 03/02/2011 8:22:32 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Make love. Accept no substitutes.)
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To: PapaBear3625

...still stuck with child support payments or wage garnishments.


135 posted on 03/02/2011 9:21:13 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Mrs. Don-o
This inward damage to women really troubles me. At some point I think most women will realize that transitory sexual alliances will maim them spiritually.

100% agree. You can't buy anything at the pharmacy to prevent that either.
136 posted on 03/02/2011 9:29:17 AM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: wardaddy

I respect your opinions. I disagree with some of them, but I respect them.

Using The Real Housewives of...Whatever City as an example of empowerment isn’t a strong example. I could turn it around and make the claim that just by watching “Storage Wars” or “Ice Road Truckers” I know that men are spiteful, petty, shallow, and bicker over silly matters. But I know that’s not true. Aren’t most of those women broke or living on credit anyway?

As for women being “empowered”, I can only go by personal experience. Graduated college, went out on my own, started off as a receptionist and ended up as the head of IT for the southeast region of a big company. My looks, or lackthereof, didn’t play a part in it. Hard work did. I didn’t expect any special favors being female, I just expected to be treated like anyone else, and I was. That’s what should happen in the workplace, and in life, with women. If they’re good at something, that’s good - I say go for it and excel. Looks only go so far.

And now that I’m married with a kid, I’m home with the kid - and I make most of the big and small household decisions because I’m good at it and my husband isn’t (his admission). He makes a great living as an executive for a major corporation, but when it comes to family decisions, he defaults to me because I’m logical and reasonable and he’s...well, geeky and short-sighted (again, his admission). It works very well for us.

I wrestle with guilt for not working every day (my issue - not my husband’s fault). I went to college and earned a good living and now I’m home, not using my talents...other than budgeting and organizing. Whoopdeedoo. But my kid and my husband have a nice, clean, organized life, so I guess that’s good. And this way of life works for us.

So that’s what I have to go on: personal experience. Women (ugly or attractive) who are good at something shouldn’t be shoved back in the kitchen, or wherever, because men want to “feeeeeeeel” powerful. It’s a waste of God-given talent. And when it comes to looks, when was the last time looks mattered when you were on an operating table, or your dog was sick, or you needed a financial manager?

My 2 cents.


137 posted on 03/02/2011 10:24:44 AM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: coop71

Excellent post, coop71. I think the issue of women’s looks is a red herring. Look at pictures of some of the famous women of history - they ain’t all plus a real-meat cheezburger, most of them, and they had rotten teeth to boot. Whatever genetic hand a person is dealt, he or she becomes attractive or unattractive because of who they are inside.

I was 22 when I got married, a college student with no money, and nothing particular to look at, as you can see on my profile (just turn the hair back to brown ...). But I was nice. And I see plenty of ordinary-looking young women getting married today, because they’re nice to the men who decide to marry them.


138 posted on 03/02/2011 2:55:42 PM PST by Tax-chick (James is still hungry.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Our campus was pretty equal with men vs. women! Guess I was lucky! lol


139 posted on 03/02/2011 3:24:51 PM PST by Fledermaus (RINO'S no more! Defeat socialist in every party!)
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To: fr_freak
It's obvious you have not raised your children (if you have any) to adulthood.

My wife and I raised six children from birth to adulthood so I think we have a pretty good idea of the pitfalls and triumphs of raising children.

Yes, we raised them in a Christian home, meaning church every week, youth group, small groups and as well home-schooled them until high-school and pretty much did everything possibly under the sun to keep them on the straight and narrow. Taught them the way to run their lives to glorify the Lord by living out ourselves a healthy and strong cultural values like being married for thirty years, not drinking or smoking. My children have never heard me utter a foul word, never hit my wife, been faithful to the Lord in word and deed.

Are you sitting down because I have some really astounding news for you: Get ready for this for it's a real eyeopener

Every single one of them once having reached adulthood made their own decisions about their life. As their father I could only counsel them and ask them to consider my wise counsel. Believe or not, sometimes they screwed up and made the wrong choices in life.

Of the six, three are still active in church. Once they spring from the home and start making their own decisions in life, the "world" around them has a pull and influence no matter how well they have been brought up.

As for failing them, I take no blame. I gave them all the tools to be successful in life and in cultural, spiritual matters .

What they do with it is up to them

140 posted on 03/02/2011 3:37:29 PM PST by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Fledermaus
Oh, lordy. Today women undergrads in the US outnumber the men 3:2 overall. And among blacks and latinos it's even more overwhelmingly female. Collegiate black & latino women find it very hard to find a date or a mate if they're looking within their own ethnic group.

It was better when I was in school -- back in the Jurassic.

141 posted on 03/02/2011 4:00:31 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (In theory. there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra)
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To: mamelukesabre

Ahhh...but men generally have more $$


142 posted on 03/02/2011 4:04:19 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Osage Orange

until a woman takes it


143 posted on 03/02/2011 4:13:22 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Tax-chick

Why thank you, tax-chick. I laughed out loud at the rotten teeth comment. And off topic: I love looking at your family pictures.

It’s not all gloom and doom on the “woman front”: it’s easy for some, who have been burned I assume, to claim all sorts of stuff about women: they’re *all* easy, they’re *all* after a guy’s money, they’re not interested in families, or my favorite, “I ordered a bride from Mongolia because they look good and know their place”, etc., and it’s kind of sad. Especially when you read this stuff day after day here. Because you look around at the women here, and the women in our lives and think, “Where the heck are these demon spawns these men are talking about?”.

Oh well. My husband will be home soon. Better dim the lights and put a bag on my head...I’m almost 40 you know, and I know my place. ;)


144 posted on 03/02/2011 4:13:37 PM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: coop71
Because you look around at the women here, and the women in our lives and think, “Where the heck are these demon spawns these men are talking about?”.

I don't know any of these people, either, as far as I can tell. Well, maybe the crazy cat lady across the street ... she has two ex-husbands ... but she sure isn't getting any money from them, because she just started a waitress job.

Excellent punctuation, btw!

145 posted on 03/02/2011 4:49:36 PM PST by Tax-chick (James is still hungry.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Here is my issue: You know Taylor Swift’s song “You Belong With Me”? That is the story of my life. I’ve had so many male friends who were excellent husband material, but they never take things further and ask me out. Several of them have gone on to marry other women, so it can’t be that they’re afraid of commitment.


146 posted on 03/02/2011 7:48:58 PM PST by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: PapaBear3625; boop; Travis McGee; Pelham; Black Agnes

Malcolm X

lmao

on a conservative forum

i would love to see Reagan’s reaction to that bullshit

freepers waxing about X

beam me up Jim


147 posted on 03/02/2011 10:25:08 PM PST by wardaddy (FUHB)
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To: wardaddy
Malcolm X lmao on a conservative forum i would love to see Reagan’s reaction

In case you haven't been paying attention, here on FR we've been taking the teachings of arch-leftist Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and applying them against the Left. If you're looking for a good reference on guerrilla warfare, it's stupid to leave Mao off your reading list. And if you haven't read the Autobiography of Malcolm X, you should. Towards the end, Malcolm would have been dismissed as an Oreo by the likes of Al Sharpton.

148 posted on 03/03/2011 5:41:47 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625
oh BS..he became more of a media darling by going to Mecca and seeing white Muslims?

you guys really think going to Mecca redeems anything ?

not for me...makes it worse

it's the same logic that King was a conservative ala Beck...anyone here read what King actually wrote (himself) about Vietnam or Capitalism or what our real heroes of the time had to say about him.

this is where the left really clocked us...the brainwashing of people..especially those under 45 or so in culture and media

you did not allude to X in a reading about the enemy context...that is wholly different

X was a white hating woman abusing racist who just got surprised there were actually white muzzies...so he decided there were at least some whites he could tolerate...funny...the same sorta whites who shot our troops in Germany yesterday after we helped their sorry asses get away from the Serbs....against my wishes btw.

149 posted on 03/03/2011 8:52:52 AM PST by wardaddy (FUHB)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

bump for later reading


150 posted on 03/03/2011 10:16:24 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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