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To: bluecat6
The legal birth father of Obama is...Obama senior. That is the absolute legal and relevant FACT.

Nope. Unless and until an actual birth certificate demonstrating that parentage surfaces, legally it's just hearsay...

26 posted on 03/15/2011 9:54:03 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 783 of our national holiday from reality. - tic. tic. tic. It's almost 3 AM)
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To: null and void
Unless and until an actual birth certificate demonstrating that parentage surfaces, legally it's just hearsay...

Actually it's not. There's a legal principle of "presumption of legitimacy" that goes back to the Middle Ages and beyond. The child of a married woman is legally presumed to be legitimate.

33 posted on 03/15/2011 10:10:55 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: null and void

Nope. Unless and until an actual birth certificate demonstrating that parentage surfaces, legally it’s just hearsay...

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I am sorry but it is not ‘hearsay’. There is a legally bonafide divorce on record in Hawaii. The documents of that divorce show a child as part of the marriage. Unless Obama Sr. ADOPTED Obama II as a stepchild, and nothing points to that, he (Obama Sr.) IS the legal birth father of Obama II.

Legally, the fatherhood is established and in the formal Hawaii records.

As noted, the released documents has a missing or possibly legally redacted page. In all likelihood this is a birth document of some type for the child. It is a fact that the child is not explicitly named in the remaining pages of the documents. But unless Stanly Ann and Obama Sr. had a different child it would have to be Obama II.

I am certainly not arguing against full transparency here. That should be done. That includes the original birth documents, even if they are under legal seal due to later closed adoption proceedings. But from what HAS been released the only conclusion of LEGAL fact is that Obama’s birth father was Obama Senior.

Any other scenarios seem to only serve to dull Occam’s razor on this key issue.


34 posted on 03/15/2011 10:20:54 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: null and void; bluecat6
In the Divorce Documents, BHO, Sr. accepts paternity, so legality trumps any possible biology.

The only recent theories that hold any water are those of Lawyer Hemenway in Hollister v Soetoro. He postulates that at the time of his adoption by the Indonesian Soetoro, Barack's Birth certificate would have been amended to show the name change. That is completely ordinary. Billy Blythe becomes Bill Clinton. Leslie King becomes Gerald Ford.

What our POTUS did was abandon his legal, adopted name, and without legal petition, went back to using "Obama." He chose resignation from the Bar of the State of Illinois, rather than face a disbarrment hearing after an inquiry. The actual reasons are, as is customary, sealed upon reaching the agreement. However, we absolutely do know from public records that Obama lied when he told the Bar on his Application that he had never used, or been known by another name. (He also denied drug use, and traffic violations.) Not one reporter to my knowledge has ever looked this up. Nor has anyone ever publicly asked Obama about it.

Therefore, argues Hemenway, since there i no record of a legal name change BACK to Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. is not the POTUS' legal name.

100 posted on 03/16/2011 8:31:28 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (America might survive Obama. But it cannot survive the kind of people who vote for him.)
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