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To: bgill

From what we’ve heard from Lia and some other boy from Jakarta about his behavior, my money is on Lolo got fed up with him and packed his rear back to Hawaii. I doubt there was any concern with Lolo wanting to reclaim him.

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That I would not doubt.

But actually I was referring to Obama Senior reclaiming (temporarily) Obama II in 1971.

Stanley Ann was still an Indonesian citizen in 1971. And Obama II was being left with his grandparents in Hawaii in January of 1972. After a month with mom and...daddy who just supposedly happens to be hanging out with his old buddies (Abercrombie) in Hawaii.

So a crippled (he was in a bad car wreck) and almost broke Obama senior just happens to hang around Hawaii for a month while mom and baby are in from Indonesia??? Hmmmm...

How about this. Mom is not a US Citizen...and as you say Lolo is sick of the kid. But grandma and granddad only will take him if the citizenship paperwork is clean. No dual this and dual that. They will be his guardian only if he has clean paperwork. So....

So he needs to give up his Indonesian citizenship that he assumed when he was adopted by Lolo. To do that - you need Obama Senior. Obama Senior can calm Obama II as his and thus terminate Indonesian Citizenship. This is in Indonesian citizenship law - 17.x something....Alien father can reclaim child under 18. So now he is no longer Indonesian...but what is he...he is now Kenyan (the minor son of a Kenyan citizen), oh and he is still British, since he got that at birth and nothing changed that. But at this point he is NOT American. So then Obama senior turns over guardianship to Grandma and Granddad and maybe there is a formal naturalization process (uh oh!) as part of that. Then Indonesian citizen mom can run back to Lolo. And Obama Senior can go back to Kenya without paternal responsibilities.

If you were the Dunhams would you take guardianship of a child with questionable citizenship and whose parents are a flake mom and drunken dad who are both half a world away????

This scenario explains why Obama senior is in Hawaii (possibly on the Dunhams nickle) in December of 1971. He is the conduit to terminate Obama II’s Indonesian citizenship and get him over to the grandparents with clean citizenship status.

This is mostly theory. But it fits the data points.


78 posted on 03/15/2011 8:06:43 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: bluecat6

It’s as good as any. We know something huge had to have gotten Sr. back to HI and even with that the Dunhams stiil had to bribe him with an all expense paid trip.


81 posted on 03/15/2011 8:26:42 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: bluecat6; butterdezillion

butter - see #78


89 posted on 03/15/2011 9:37:34 PM PDT by bitt ( ..Congress - either investigate Obama ...or yourselves, for complicity)
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To: bluecat6; bgill; butterdezillion; Beckwith

Your thinking may be mostly theory - but it does fit, and to your scenario I would add some frosting for the cake: attitude.

As Barry relates in “Dreams From My Father”, his mother, grandmother, and particularly his grandfather just loooooved the statutory rapist, Barack the elder. Gramps couldn’t get enough of the guy - drinking buddy, pal of pals - wonderful, intelligent, sonorous-voiced, terrific sense of humor, just an all around fabulous, anti-racist guy! They all had just the greatest admiration for Barack. He was sometimes a weeee bit - uhh - impatient with people who didn’t appreciate his excellent wonderfulness - but no matter. That wonderfulness always won them over in short order. And of course the little family wholeheartedly and with supreme dedication thoroughly educated the child Barry in his birthright - his inherited not-to-be-disputed legacy of perfect, excellent wonderfulness, you-are-to-be-worshipped blackness. This is truly the theme of the first 62 pages of Barry’s disjointed book. The Gramps idolizes Barack meme is evident in a photo posted on this thread of a group of people departing Hawaii - including Barack, off to his studies at Harvard - and right beside Barack to see him off is the smiling, happy BFF of Barack, Stanley “Gramps” Dunham!

By page 62 of “Dreams”, Barry had returned alone [August 1971] to Hawaii, and was living with his grandparents: [emphasis mine]

“Nestled in the soft, forgiving bosom of America’s consumer culture, I felt safe; it was as if I had dropped into a long hibernation. I [the adult Barry speaking] wonder sometimes how long I might have stayed there had it not been for the telegram Toot found in the mailbox one day.”

“Your father’s coming to see you,” she said. “Next month. Two weeks after your mother gets here. They’ll both stay through New Year’s.”

“She carefully folded the paper and slid it into a drawer in the kitchen. Both SHE AND GRAMPS FELL SILENT, THE WAY I IMAGINE PEOPLE REACT WHEN THE DOCTOR TELLS THEM THEY HAVE A SERIOUS, BUT CURABLE ILLNESS. FOR A MOMENT THE AIR WAS SUCKED OUT OF THE ROOM, AND WE STOOD SUSPENDED, ALONE WITH OUR THOUGHTS.”

“Well,” Toot said finally, “I suppose we better start looking for a place where he can stay.”

“Gramps took off his glasses and rubbed his eyes. “SHOULD BE ONE HELL OF A CHRISTMAS.”

What happened to the looooove?

The various tellings of the Barack visit - including Barry’s recounting in “Dreams”, and the Christopher Andersen telling in “Barack and Michelle” - have the visit’s duration at one month, or four weeks, ending with “...through New Years”.

The FOIA document release of Stanley Ann’s pessport records tells a different story, however, in that Stanley Ann departed Jakarta Oct. 20, 1971 on Pan Am Flight 812 and arrived in Honolulu October 21, 1971. According to Barry [”Dreams”], Barack was to arrive two weeks later, which would have been appx. Nov. 4, 1971. That means Barack’s Hawaii visit was not one month/four weeks, but was TWO months/FOUR weeks. Of course, it’s possible that Barack - who’d not seen his son in more than 10 years - just didn’t care to spend any more time with him than the month. There were many other people he’d not seen is just as long, and who apparently meant more to him than his son. That callousness, combined with Barry’s lie as to how long his father was there, give even more credibility to your [bluecat6] basic theory at the least.

As an aside regarding motivation for Barry to return to Hawaii to live, it had been in the works for at least a year. On page 58 of “Dreams” Barry speaks of the summer [of 1971] drawing to a close, and of him being restless to start at Punahou. He tells of what an accomplishment it was for him to get in; that he’d been considered only because of the intervention of Gramps’s boss - and that therefore, “MY FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, it seems had little to do with race.” That’s “first” - as in, there were further affirmative action experiences later in his life. I thought he accomplished everything with his brains!!

It was 1971 that he returned to Hawaii, was accepted into and started at Punahou. Again on page 58 of “Dreams”, Barry states: “I had gone for several interviews with Punahou’s admissions officer the previous summer”. That would have been the summer of 1970. That date is confirmed on page 54 of “Dreams”: When Barry has just been picked up by Gramps and Toot at the Honolulu airport [Aug. 1971], he’s fretting to himself that he’ll be living with strangers. Then he recalls that when his mother told him he would be returning to Hawaii, that she would try to make it there for Christmas - and, “She reminded me of what a great time I’d had living with Gramps and Toot just the previous summer - the ice cream, the cartoons, the days at the beach.” Considering that photo labeled 1969 of Barry with the little Japanese boy in third grade - one has to wonder just how long the “previous summer” might have actually been.


156 posted on 03/16/2011 8:51:26 PM PDT by GGMac ((lesson learned re Obie: parse every sentence, every word, every gesture, every photo))
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