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To: bcsco
I'm not sure that the moral hectoring and guerrilla actions by the likes of John Brown, William Henry Harrison or the Beechers was useful by 1860. By then they had made their point, it was time for them to shut up. Lincoln was more like Martin Luther King or Gandhi, he had resolved to persuade rather than hector, to appeal to his opponents’ conscious. The reaction to the hectoring New Englanders by the Southern politicians, some of them rank opportunists, made the War inevitable once Lincoln was elected.

Even if Lincoln had accepted session, or the South had won, by 1900 at very latest slavery would have ended in the states of the Confederacy. Would the bondsman have suffered more under slavery between 1865-1900 than he did under Jim Crow? Would his posterity have been better served by a South that initiated emancipation or one that had it forced on them from the outside? I don't claim to know the answers, but the questions are not fatuous.

60 posted on 03/20/2011 8:54:45 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Sulzberger Family Motto: Trois generations d'imbeciles, assez)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Also...There is the question of the massive growth of federal power after the Civil War. Our nation was never again referred to as “The United States **are** ....”. It became, “The United States **is**...”


62 posted on 03/20/2011 9:00:14 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Even if Lincoln had accepted session, or the South had won, by 1900 at very latest slavery would have ended in the states of the Confederacy. Would the bondsman have suffered more under slavery between 1865-1900 than he did under Jim Crow? Would his posterity have been better served by a South that initiated emancipation or one that had it forced on them from the outside? I don't claim to know the answers, but the questions are not fatuous.

No, those questions are not fatuous. But there are others. For discussion sake, let's say Lincoln saw fit to allow the southern states to secede, and the Confederacy become it's own nation. There could then be the possibility that the lessened Union could then vote for the repeal of that portion of the Kansas/Nebraska act that repealed the Missouri Compromise of 1820, and outlaw the issue of slavery in those states. They could also pass a law that slavery would not be allowed in any further territories or states.

What then would the South do? If they continued with slavery in their initial, few states, it would begin a fairly increasing death cycle. Their only out would be westward expansion, or expansion elsewhere (Mexico, Cuba...). But expansion within what's now the continental US would likely be opposed by a more solidified Union. Would that then make the war just as inevitable as it was in 1860?

All is conjecture. Who knows how history would have unfolded. But the issue of slavery was a cancer within this country from before its beginning. Is it possible it could have been cut out without a major upheaval of blood? To me, that's the major question.

68 posted on 03/20/2011 9:24:26 AM PDT by bcsco
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