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>>> You can impeach the current office holder, whether he’s there legitimately or illegitimately.

If he is illegitimate, then EVERYTHING he has done as president is illegitimate and void. THAT is my point.
Grounds for impeachment are irrelevant until he establishes himself as legitimate. He has flat out refused to do this.

Simply impeaching him now would forego the opportunity to reverse EVERYTHING that he did, leaving all of the damage he has done in-tact for decades to come.

I think he knows this... and if things get too hot, he may simply resign to avoid this little problem for the dems.

While proceedings could arguably go forward after he is out of office to challenge his legitimacy, I fear nobody would have the political stomach for it.... it’s embarrassingly hard enough to breach this as it is.

Thank God for Trump.

Don’t you think that if it were discovered that Bush’s birth certificate was fraudulent that the dems would be pushing for reversal of all laws signed by him???

Sure they would.

You realize of course, that the reason Obama is so brazen in his crimes against the constitution is because the Republicans did not have the balls to convict Clinton.

Had they convicted him then the muzzie commi9es never would have even attempted to run Obama as a candidate in the first place.

That is what happens when we fail to enforce the law, we tell law breakers to do whatever they want because we will not convict. Obama is used to it though because they quit convicting thugs in Chicago years ago, and look how it is run.

Like America is today.

So there is a big part of me that will never ever feel comfortable as long as any Rino still exists in the Republican party. House cleaning in the primaries needs to continue if we are truly ever going to clean house and reverse the damage done.

That being said, a list of all crimes and misdemeanors will be a good start. A list we can get out to any and all people between now and the election in 2012. That way if we fail to impeach, at least his crimes will be well distributed.

“If he is illegitimate, then EVERYTHING he has done as president is illegitimate and void. THAT is my point.”

I agree, and I understand the point.

“Grounds for impeachment are irrelevant until he establishes himself as legitimate. He has flat out refused to do this.”

I disagree; do you understand my point? He is acting as commander in chief, whether he deserves to or not. It was signed off on by those supposed to be there representing us. His commands have been followed; one man is in prison for questioning his eligibility in the military chain of command.

“Simply impeaching him now would forego the opportunity to reverse EVERYTHING that he did, leaving all of the damage he has done in-tact for decades to come.”

No it would not, unless by ‘simply impeaching’ you’re making the distinction between what the House does in the process, and what the Senate does in the process. Even if then, I’d be interested in following your lead from there on in.

“I think he knows this... and if things get too hot, he may simply resign to avoid this little problem for the dems.”

He might. Resigning wouldn’t avoid the problem if we continued to pursue it. He would then have been removed, in any event. Executive orders protecting the relevant information could then become null and void, providing the proof, one way or the other.

“Don’t you think that if it were discovered that Bush’s birth certificate was fraudulent that the dems would be pushing for reversal of all laws signed by him???

Sure they would.”

You’re apparently asking a rhetorical question, but I’ll answer it anyway: they would. So should we, should that be the case, as it seems.

Again, take the lead then and remove him before it gets to impeachment proceedings. I’ll continue to work on moving toward impeachment and support your efforts while you do so. You’re welcome to support those of us moving toward impeachment proceedings. If your efforts are successful before ours, it will save us the further effort and we’ll all be glad.