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Feds seek $7M in privately made 'Liberty Dollars'
hosted ^ | Apr 4 | TOM BREEN

Posted on 04/04/2011 10:20:04 AM PDT by JoeProBono

RALEIGH, N.C. - Federal prosecutors on Monday tried to take a hoard of silver "Liberty Dollars" worth about $7 million that authorities say was invented by an Indiana man to compete with U.S. currency.

Bernard von NotHaus, 67, was convicted last month in federal court in Statesville on conspiracy and counterfeiting charges for making and selling the currency, which he promoted as inflation-proof competition for the U.S. dollar....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: libertydollars; nothaus
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1 posted on 04/04/2011 10:20:10 AM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

The problem is that no currency can ever hope to keep up with the rising number of leftist idiots. Only .00001% of the population will have currency and the rest will be rampaging like wild animals until they are permanently put down by the .00001%.


2 posted on 04/04/2011 10:22:56 AM PDT by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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why is it counterfieting? itz not the same as the current u.s. coinage...i thought states or individuals could print their own as long as they didnt say it was the real deal that comes out of the u.s. mints....


3 posted on 04/04/2011 10:23:04 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: JoeProBono

“Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Anne Tompkins said in a statement after von NotHaus was convicted.”

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So when exactly, Ms. Tompkins, will you be handing down your indictments against Federal Reserve officers and the chimps in both houses of Congress?


4 posted on 04/04/2011 10:24:17 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Gimme Shelter)
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To: JoeProBono

Ridiculous...He’s guilty of nothing. It’s really lies in the art category.


5 posted on 04/04/2011 10:24:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: JoeProBono

His so-called ‘counterfeit currency’ is worth way more than its face value.

The Fed just wants to steal his silver under color of law. Disgusting.


6 posted on 04/04/2011 10:25:24 AM PDT by agere_contra (As often as I look upon the cross, so often will I forgive with all my heart.)
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To: JoeProBono

Here is the beginning of a new government seizure of private gold. It’s Roosevelt all over again.


7 posted on 04/04/2011 10:26:44 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: EyeGuy

Well said. The only ‘legitimate currency’ of the US is Gold and Silver - as stated in the Constitution.


8 posted on 04/04/2011 10:27:40 AM PDT by agere_contra (As often as I look upon the cross, so often will I forgive with all my heart.)
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To: raygunfan

Has anyone ever noticed that in countries like the UK, private banks print (or use to) their own currency? (pounds sterling)

As long as they meet the legal US standard for silver and gold coins they should be allowed.


9 posted on 04/04/2011 10:31:11 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: JoeProBono
Sorry, missed a couple of words:

Here is the beginning of a new government seizure of private gold and silver. It’s Roosevelt all over again.

10 posted on 04/04/2011 10:31:23 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: JoeProBono
This is a true case of government dominance over it's citizens.
There are several companies that make gold and silver coins to sell that look like American coins at a glance.
Franklin mint and Silvertowne come to mind.
This is bulling by an oppressive government.
11 posted on 04/04/2011 10:37:47 AM PDT by lucky american (If you think the Libs care about your health.....LOLOLOL)
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To: JoeProBono
I thought that this was legal. There are communities sprinkled around the country that have an alternate money being used and it is legal. The BerkShares in MA come to mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BerkShares


12 posted on 04/04/2011 10:39:35 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: lucky american
This also brings to mind a case that is before the courts where the government confiscated 10 gold Eagles from a family estate because the government said they where illegally coined by the mint and never supposed to be released into circulation.
I believe that the King of Egypt owned one and there is one at the Smithsonian.
13 posted on 04/04/2011 10:42:44 AM PDT by lucky american (If you think the Libs care about your health.....LOLOLOL)
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To: JoeProBono
This case is interesting from a number of reasons

1) what would have been the result if he didn't manufacture coins? What he rather minted made small ingots, with some completely odd design on them? ie) something that didn't look like a coin? Currency is whatever society declares as a store of value, so something unlike a coin would have served the purpose of "store of value" just as well. The Chinese used "taels" of silver for millenia (see below). Its clear this man was making a political statement by minting "coins."

2) It is interesting the "southern law poverty center" is involved. What interest does a "civil rights" group have in a someone who is opposed to the FED??? (rhetorical question?)


14 posted on 04/04/2011 10:43:27 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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Yep, should have made something that didn’t scream “I’m a coin” when the average person looked at it.

Personally, I would have made it in the shape of a ring.


15 posted on 04/04/2011 10:53:55 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Moderates = non-thinkers)
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To: Lazlo in PA
This works just fine in my living room.


16 posted on 04/04/2011 10:54:00 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono
The two convictions were against these statutes. USC 18 § 485. Coins or bars

Whoever falsely makes, forges, or counterfeits any coin or bar in resemblance or similitude of any coin of a denomination higher than 5 cents or any gold or silver bar coined or stamped at any mint or assay office of the United States, or in resemblance or similitude of any foreign gold or silver coin current in the United States or in actual use and circulation as money within the United States; or Whoever passes, utters, publishes, sells, possesses, or brings into the United States any false, forged, or counterfeit coin or bar, knowing the same to be false, forged, or counterfeit, with intent to defraud any body politic or corporate, or any person, or attempts the commission of any offense described in this paragraph— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than fifteen years, or both.

USC 18 § 2. Principals

(a) Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.
(b) Whoever willfully causes an act to be done which if directly performed by him or another would be an offense against the United States, is punishable as a principal.

17 posted on 04/04/2011 10:55:31 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: EyeGuy
So when exactly, Ms. Tompkins, will you be handing down your indictments against Federal Reserve officers and the chimps in both houses of Congress?

Don't hold your breath:

"It is a grave error to suppose that a dictatorship rules a nation by means of strict, rigid laws which are obeyed and enforced with rigorous, military precision. Such a rule would be evil, but almost bearable; men could endure the harshest edicts, provided these edicts were known, specific and stable; it is not the known that breaks men's spirits, but the unpredictable. A dictatorship has to be capricious; it has to rule by means of the unexpected, the incomprehensible, the wantonly irrational; it has to deal not in death, but in sudden death; a state of chronic uncertainty is what men are psychologically unable to bear. "
--Ayn Rand

Who is John Galt?

18 posted on 04/04/2011 10:56:45 AM PDT by Noumenon ("How do we know when the Government is like that guy with the van and the handcuffs?" --Henry Bowman)
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To: DannyTN
USC 18 § 486. Uttering coins of gold, silver or other metal

Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined under this title [1] or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

19 posted on 04/04/2011 10:57:13 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: PGR88

$38.60 per ozt today


20 posted on 04/04/2011 10:59:18 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Get ready for a new media term "Japanese Boat People")
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