Skip to comments.Obama concedes he's not a NBC, in Obama vs. Keyes 2004 Debate
Posted on 04/08/2011 10:28:56 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
Obama concedes he's not a NBC, in Obama vs. Keyes 2004 Debate
WITNESS COMES FORWARD, HISTORY OF INTERNET RUMOUR DOCUMENTED UPDATE:
Oct. 21, 2009 Second Witness Comes forward, gives testimony to The Post & Email by John Charlton (October 15, 2009) It was a moment little noticed and soon forgotten; the import of it was not at that time understood; but the evidence that it [...]
WITNESS COMES FORWARD, HISTORY OF INTERNET RUMOUR DOCUMENTED
UPDATE: Oct. 21, 2009 Second Witness Comes forward, gives testimony to The Post & Email
by John Charlton
(October 15, 2009) It was a moment little noticed and soon forgotten; the import of it was not at that time understood; but the evidence that it did in fact occur is compelling. It occurred during the Obama vs. Alan Keyes debate shoot, when the actual video tape was being recorded by ABCs Chicago Affiliate in the Fall of 2004. It was never aired in Chicago, because the affiliate only aired the final cut; the raw footage was, as far as The Post & Email knows, aired only twice by C-Span in April and May of 2005.
The content of the short exchange has become legendary. In a quick jab Keyes asserted definitively that Obama was not a natural born citizen, and Obama, manifestly caught off guard, conceded the fact.
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Guys - send everything you can to:
At one point in the second debate, Keyes, accused Obama saying, You are not even a natural born citizen!
To which Obama immediately replied, So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency.
At the end of the airing of the second debate, the C-Span host noted, as he read from a single sheet of paper, placed before him, that the Obama Campaign had contacted them and requested them to point out to their viewers that Obamas response here should not be understood as a denial that he is a natural born citizen, only that Keyes accusation had nothing to do with the qualifications of office of a U.S. Senator.
wow - got to get this video.
Ping to Keyes campaign manager. He has debunked this many times as not happening (another internet rumor).
(I reported abuse on myself on the last one, pinged the wrong person.)
I’m sorry, but until someone comes up with the actual video, this will remain an internet rumor.
If this video exists, I can see and hear it now. By Sunday, all the alphabets will have their DNC talking points at the ready, he “Misspoke misspoke misspoke misspoke misspoke.....Extreme Republican Extremists are trying to distract from the real issues.....blah, blah, blah......”
I think by the fact that Keyes’ own campaign manager says it is myth and Keyes himself had the most interest in producing the video in his cases against Obama, but never brought it up, should shut this rumor down. You can find people on the internet who will say anything about anything.
I don’t know if he’s an ABC (Alien Born Citizen), or an MSNBC (Merely Socialist Natural Born Citizen) but he sure is one CBS (Commie-Bastard Symathizer).
I for one with stand with those who are Falsely Ostracized as Xenophobes.
It’s a myth and even Keyes has said so.
He doesn’t even remember the line.
Surely, by now, someone would have posted the video if one existed.
” I just sent this to Trump. Maybe he can get the video. “ =======================
Great idea! Otherwise, without Trump’s broad strategic resources and interest, this is dead. Given the Keyes campaign manager’s denial of any such remarks.
“During the debate Dr. Keyes has stated :You are not even a Natural born citizen to which Barack Obama replied: Thats OK, I am not running for president, I am only running for Senate.”
Yes and No. He appears to be saying he agrees that he is not a NBC but he can wiggle out of that one fairly easily but simply saying that Keyes statement didn’t mean anything as he is only running for Senate so there is no point in debating his NBC status.
Barry's House of Lies are beginning to crumble and I don't know who will be the bigger fraud, Barry or the MSM.
Surely, by now, someone would have posted the birth certificate if one existed. ;)
But actually I agree with you on the Keyes event. I see no reason to think this really happened. It's just a myth. But what amuses me is the double standard that some in the media have.
In 2008, the rumor was that John McCain was born outside the country and was not eligible to be president. People demanded to see his birth certificate. McCain showed it (born on a military base). Congress passed a resolution saying he was eligible. Done. But if anyone hints that Obama should also verify his eligibility, that person is denounced as a racist.
And if someone says there is a video of Obama admitting he is not an NBC, the media says "Prove it! Show me the video!" But if anyone says hints that there is not birth certificate from Hawaii, the media says "You fool! He doesn't have to prove it! It's obvious he was born in Hawaii!"
If I remember correctly, Alan Keyes said it never happened.
If he didn’t know then, he certainly knew during the SR511 when Leahy and Chertoff discussed of the definition of NBC meaning TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS and he signed his name to it.
I totally support your position and inflaming the issue needs happen.
That chump and his team played the American People and many are still saying “He hasn’t had enough time on the job”.
Yep. And unfortunately, many Freepers will buy into oft-stated internet rumors without doing the slightest bit of fact checking.
Good thing this place is self-correcting, eh?
What about the campaign calling the network to cover bama?
Where is the proof it actually did or that on air statement took place? I can find people on the internet who will swear obama said hewas born on planet Xenu. The person with the most vested interest in it being true (Keyes ) and his staff say it never happened. Also the source you cited, Post and Email is about as reliable as jumping in pools. They post every rumor they can get their hands on without any checking.
This makes no sense. Why would Keyes even bring up Obama’s natural-born citizenship at a Senate debate? Alan Keyes is a brilliant man and an astute Constitutional scholar. Surely he knew the qualifications for being a Senator.
Guys, this video exists. At least it did, because I saw it myself. It was waaaayyy back when Obama’s eligibility wasn’t yet the thing.
He did say, “So what, I’m running for Illinois Senator, not the Presidency.”
Considering the lawsuits, I would expect that Mr. Keyes has this video, if he ever got a copy of it. Whoever made the video may have destroyed it by now or whatever.
But he did say it. I saw the video and heard his words.
Because Keyes, far more prescient even than the diabolic Karl Rove, saw deep into the future and knew that BarryBoy would be running for pres__ent some day and so, at great cost to his own senate campaign, inserted this into the debate to create a smoking gun for the future NBC controversy he knew would some day take place.
Why, I’d be willing to bet that Alan Keyes not only was prescient but is omniscient and omnipresent and ubiquitous and almighty and well, just divine.
And purple and clairvoyant.
that picture of O’dumma dumping his Grandma’s ashes
(at least he was raised by her)-
It is ILLEGAL to do that (on that cliff in Hawaii)
no one ever challenged him on that.
I know Alan has denied it since but it's probably because it's so trivial although it does support the narrative nicely.
Perhaps the tape will reappear just before our dear leader is tried for treason.
Ah but alas, some great man once said, “treason doth never prosper because if treason does prosper none dare call it treason”
I was listening to Plains radio the night Alan Keyes was asked about it and he said he had no memory of it.
The Senate debates in 2004 are on c-span. It would be great if you could look at them and let us know which debate it was. They are each different and perhaps you will remember the debate and the background.
At leats that way we will know the exact date. ALso a link to the transcripts were on freepers too. But I couldn’t find that part of the debate.
Stick to the facts, people.
For the record, I was never Alan's campaign manager.
But I was present in Illinois during the time in question. Believe me, somebody with a vivid imagination made this up.
Keyes himself has also shot this down a number times as well.
But it just won't seem to die...
You can look all you want. But it just isn’t there, because it never happened.
Geez, it has been so long and the clip I saw was short, just a few minutes of the debate. The point of the clip was to show that Obama made his “So what...” comment. I was shocked, yet not surprised.
I suppose I could look and try to recall, although I do remember a white background with a window behind Mr. Keyes, and Mr. Keys was on the left.
Woah! Say What?!?! Oh my!!!
I watched the clip myself. Seriously. Me, myself, and I. Watched it, saw it, and most importantly, heard it.
Go to www.cspan.com and go into the video library.
After typing Obama Keyes Senate, I got 5 results. I do not have the time to look at the videos right now.
Are the two witnneses lying?
Why are you so insistent about it not happening? Because you haven’t seen it?
Well, at least they’re self-deluded. Let’s leave it at that.
Because I was there. Because Alan Keyes was there. Because his staff was there. Because his archivist dealt with every second of material associated with all of it. And without exception we all say it didn’t happen.
But, if you want to believe folks on the internet who can’t produce a scintilla of evidence to back up their claims, there’s nothing I can do about that.
"Dude." Produce the video then. Because every eyewitness, including Dr. Keyes himself, says it never happened.
Utterly meaningless without the video.
Not to mention that Dr. Keyes has lawsuits against Zero on the eligibility issue so he has a vested interest in exposing it IF it existed. I take his word as the final on the matter. He was a first person party in the debate and he has the most interest in it.
Maybe IF they think they are telling the truth, they got it from something like “Obama Snippets”
I can’t tell you how many times videos made by this site or others have made it here that people thought were real.
I just saw the ‘birther’s delight’ video posted here just about a week ago with everyone cheering it was a revelation.
(this is a satire site that uses creative editing on Obama’s speeches.)
Maybe. Or maybe their memories are just playing tricks on them. Like people who swear they saw an Oprah episode where Tommy Hilfiger said he didn't want blacks wearing his clothes.
That never happened either (Hilfiger had never even appeared on Oprah's show), but you can find people who will swear up and down that they were witnessed him say it to Oprah.
I myself have encountered people who swore they were watching TV and saw Obama say he wanted to change the National Anthem to "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing." That never happened either; in fact, it was part of a newspaper satire column written by a Freeper.
They all may be sincere in their belief that they saw it. But their memories (especially, as in the case of the Keyes debate, their mutually inconsistent memories) don't trump the historical fact that it didn't happen the way they remember.
It doesn’t look good for team Obama - your team Loren.
I saw it also. You wont find it on CSPAN though. It is on the unedited version where you can see everyone waiting for the commercial free station break.
E.V. has taken it upon himself to call us liars though.
I will never forget watching the CSPAN host read a letter from the Obot camp trying to explain it away.
I was so close to taping that night but didn’t have an empty tape handy and was out of time. I thought for sure there were more people that would have saw it as well
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