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Obama concedes he's not a NBC, in Obama vs. Keyes 2004 Debate
The Post Mail ^ | October 21, 2009 | John Charlton

Posted on 04/08/2011 10:28:56 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote

Obama concedes he's not a NBC, in Obama vs. Keyes 2004 Debate

WITNESS COMES FORWARD, HISTORY OF INTERNET “RUMOUR” DOCUMENTED UPDATE:

Oct. 21, 2009 — Second Witness Comes forward, gives testimony to The Post & Email by John Charlton (October 15, 2009) — It was a moment little noticed and soon forgotten; the import of it was not at that time understood; but the evidence that it [...]

WITNESS COMES FORWARD, HISTORY OF INTERNET “RUMOUR” DOCUMENTED

UPDATE: Oct. 21, 2009 — Second Witness Comes forward, gives testimony to The Post & Email

by John Charlton

(October 15, 2009) — It was a moment little noticed and soon forgotten; the import of it was not at that time understood; but the evidence that it did in fact occur is compelling. It occurred during the Obama vs. Alan Keyes debate shoot, when the actual video tape was being recorded by ABC’s Chicago Affiliate in the Fall of 2004. It was never aired in Chicago, because the affiliate only aired the final cut; the raw footage was, as far as The Post & Email knows, aired only twice by C-Span in April and May of 2005.

The content of the short exchange has become legendary. In a quick jab Keyes asserted definitively that Obama was not a natural born citizen, and Obama, manifestly caught off guard, conceded the fact.

(Excerpt) Read more at thepostemail.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: birthers; internetrumor; myth; naturalborncitizen; ntsa; obama
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I just sent this to Trump. Maybe he can get the video.

Guys - send everything you can to:

www.shouldtrumprun.com

1 posted on 04/08/2011 10:28:58 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: GlockThe Vote

http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/15/obama-concedes-hes-not-a-nbc-in-obama-vs-keyes-2004-debate

At one point in the second debate, Keyes, accused Obama saying, “You are not even a natural born citizen!”

To which Obama immediately replied, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency.”

At the end of the airing of the second debate, the C-Span host noted, as he read from a single sheet of paper, placed before him, that the Obama Campaign had contacted them and requested them to point out to their viewers that Obama’s response here should not be understood as a denial that he is a natural born citizen, only that Keyes’ accusation had nothing to do with the qualifications of office of a U.S. Senator.

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wow - got to get this video.


2 posted on 04/08/2011 10:31:20 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
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To: GlockThe Vote; EternalVigilance

Ping to Keyes’ campaign manager. He has debunked this many times as not happening (another internet rumor).

(I reported abuse on myself on the last one, pinged the wrong person.)


4 posted on 04/08/2011 10:33:24 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: GlockThe Vote

I’m sorry, but until someone comes up with the actual video, this will remain an internet rumor.


5 posted on 04/08/2011 10:35:45 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

If this video exists, I can see and hear it now. By Sunday, all the alphabets will have their DNC talking points at the ready, he “Misspoke misspoke misspoke misspoke misspoke.....Extreme Republican Extremists are trying to distract from the real issues.....blah, blah, blah......”


6 posted on 04/08/2011 10:35:59 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Windflier

I think by the fact that Keyes’ own campaign manager says it is myth and Keyes himself had the most interest in producing the video in his cases against Obama, but never brought it up, should shut this rumor down. You can find people on the internet who will say anything about anything.


7 posted on 04/08/2011 10:37:22 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: GlockThe Vote

I don’t know if he’s an ABC (Alien Born Citizen), or an MSNBC (Merely Socialist Natural Born Citizen) but he sure is one CBS (Commie-Bastard Symathizer).

I for one with stand with those who are Falsely Ostracized as Xenophobes.


8 posted on 04/08/2011 10:37:40 AM PDT by dangus
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To: GlockThe Vote

It’s a myth and even Keyes has said so.

He doesn’t even remember the line.

Surely, by now, someone would have posted the video if one existed.


9 posted on 04/08/2011 10:42:01 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: GlockThe Vote

” I just sent this to Trump. Maybe he can get the video. “ =======================

Great idea! Otherwise, without Trump’s broad strategic resources and interest, this is dead. Given the Keyes campaign manager’s denial of any such remarks.


10 posted on 04/08/2011 10:45:12 AM PDT by RitaOK
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To: GlockThe Vote

“During the debate Dr. Keyes has stated :”You are not even a Natural born citizen” to which Barack Obama replied: “That’s OK, I am not running for president, I am only running for Senate.””

Yes and No. He appears to be saying he agrees that he is not a NBC but he can wiggle out of that one fairly easily but simply saying that Keyes statement didn’t mean anything as he is only running for Senate so there is no point in debating his NBC status.


11 posted on 04/08/2011 10:45:43 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
That video has been burned and ashes spead far and wide.

Barry's House of Lies are beginning to crumble and I don't know who will be the bigger fraud, Barry or the MSM.

12 posted on 04/08/2011 10:48:52 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Vendome
Surely, by now, someone would have posted the video if one existed.

Surely, by now, someone would have posted the birth certificate if one existed. ;)

But actually I agree with you on the Keyes event. I see no reason to think this really happened. It's just a myth. But what amuses me is the double standard that some in the media have.

In 2008, the rumor was that John McCain was born outside the country and was not eligible to be president. People demanded to see his birth certificate. McCain showed it (born on a military base). Congress passed a resolution saying he was eligible. Done. But if anyone hints that Obama should also verify his eligibility, that person is denounced as a racist.

And if someone says there is a video of Obama admitting he is not an NBC, the media says "Prove it! Show me the video!" But if anyone says hints that there is not birth certificate from Hawaii, the media says "You fool! He doesn't have to prove it! It's obvious he was born in Hawaii!"

It's unbelievable.

13 posted on 04/08/2011 10:48:52 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Windflier
I’m sorry, but until someone comes up with the actual video, this will remain an internet rumor.
True. I don't think I've heard this rumor before, except in the last week or so on various FR threads. And the answer is always the same: No video = no proof.
14 posted on 04/08/2011 10:51:38 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Birther: One who has questions or concerns over the birth of Barry Barack Hussein Soetero Obama)
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To: GlockThe Vote

If I remember correctly, Alan Keyes said it never happened.


15 posted on 04/08/2011 10:52:03 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

If he didn’t know then, he certainly knew during the SR511 when Leahy and Chertoff discussed of the definition of NBC meaning TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS and he signed his name to it.


16 posted on 04/08/2011 10:55:30 AM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: dangus

LOL!®


17 posted on 04/08/2011 10:55:44 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: ClearCase_guy
McCain showed it (born on a military base).

Incorrect.

18 posted on 04/08/2011 10:56:26 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: TexasCajun
That video has been burned and ashes spead far and wide.


19 posted on 04/08/2011 10:59:11 AM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: bgill

Perfect!


20 posted on 04/08/2011 11:01:43 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: ClearCase_guy

I totally support your position and inflaming the issue needs happen.

That chump and his team played the American People and many are still saying “He hasn’t had enough time on the job”.


21 posted on 04/08/2011 11:02:34 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: mnehring
You can find people on the internet who will say anything about anything.

Yep. And unfortunately, many Freepers will buy into oft-stated internet rumors without doing the slightest bit of fact checking.

Good thing this place is self-correcting, eh?

22 posted on 04/08/2011 11:09:17 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: mnehring

What about the campaign calling the network to cover bama?


23 posted on 04/08/2011 11:18:54 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Where is the proof it actually did or that on air statement took place? I can find people on the internet who will swear obama said hewas born on planet Xenu. The person with the most vested interest in it being true (Keyes ) and his staff say it never happened. Also the source you cited, Post and Email is about as reliable as jumping in pools. They post every rumor they can get their hands on without any checking.


24 posted on 04/08/2011 11:24:45 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: GlockThe Vote

This makes no sense. Why would Keyes even bring up Obama’s natural-born citizenship at a Senate debate? Alan Keyes is a brilliant man and an astute Constitutional scholar. Surely he knew the qualifications for being a Senator.


25 posted on 04/08/2011 11:31:10 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: GlockThe Vote; All

Guys, this video exists. At least it did, because I saw it myself. It was waaaayyy back when Obama’s eligibility wasn’t yet the thing.

He did say, “So what, I’m running for Illinois Senator, not the Presidency.”

Considering the lawsuits, I would expect that Mr. Keyes has this video, if he ever got a copy of it. Whoever made the video may have destroyed it by now or whatever.

But he did say it. I saw the video and heard his words.


26 posted on 04/08/2011 11:51:17 AM PDT by dinodino (Mrs. Dinodino)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Because Keyes, far more prescient even than the diabolic Karl Rove, saw deep into the future and knew that BarryBoy would be running for pres__ent some day and so, at great cost to his own senate campaign, inserted this into the debate to create a smoking gun for the future NBC controversy he knew would some day take place.

Why, I’d be willing to bet that Alan Keyes not only was prescient but is omniscient and omnipresent and ubiquitous and almighty and well, just divine.

Next question???


27 posted on 04/08/2011 11:52:04 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.
Alan Keyes not only was prescient but is omniscient and omnipresent and ubiquitous and almighty and well, just divine.

And purple and clairvoyant.

28 posted on 04/08/2011 11:55:58 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: bgill

that picture of O’dumma dumping his Grandma’s ashes
(at least he was raised by her)-

It is ILLEGAL to do that (on that cliff in Hawaii)

no one ever challenged him on that.


29 posted on 04/08/2011 12:03:35 PM PDT by mj1234
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To: mnehring
I can find people on the internet who will swear obama said hewas born on planet Xenu... Also the source you cited, Post and Email is about as reliable as jumping in pools. They post every rumor they can get their hands on without any checking.

To wit:

The Post & Email: Obama is a Reptilian Alien

30 posted on 04/08/2011 12:18:09 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: dinodino
Here in Illinois, I am one of a few Keyes fans so I watched the senate debates closely, when I saw and heard that my inner birther was born.

I know Alan has denied it since but it's probably because it's so trivial although it does support the narrative nicely.

Perhaps the tape will reappear just before our dear leader is tried for treason.

Ah but alas, some great man once said, “treason doth never prosper because if treason does prosper none dare call it treason”

31 posted on 04/08/2011 12:19:52 PM PDT by infool7 (Let us water the tree...)
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To: Windflier

I was listening to Plains radio the night Alan Keyes was asked about it and he said he had no memory of it.


32 posted on 04/08/2011 12:28:06 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: dinodino

Hi there,

The Senate debates in 2004 are on c-span. It would be great if you could look at them and let us know which debate it was. They are each different and perhaps you will remember the debate and the background.

At leats that way we will know the exact date. ALso a link to the transcripts were on freepers too. But I couldn’t find that part of the debate.


33 posted on 04/08/2011 12:42:32 PM PDT by jdirt
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To: GlockThe Vote; mnehring
Never happened. Pure, unadulterated internet legend.

Stick to the facts, people.

For the record, I was never Alan's campaign manager.

But I was present in Illinois during the time in question. Believe me, somebody with a vivid imagination made this up.

Keyes himself has also shot this down a number times as well.

But it just won't seem to die...

34 posted on 04/08/2011 1:00:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If they won't protect life and liberty, what else matters?)
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To: jdirt

You can look all you want. But it just isn’t there, because it never happened.


35 posted on 04/08/2011 1:01:14 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If they won't protect life and liberty, what else matters?)
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To: jdirt

Geez, it has been so long and the clip I saw was short, just a few minutes of the debate. The point of the clip was to show that Obama made his “So what...” comment. I was shocked, yet not surprised.

I suppose I could look and try to recall, although I do remember a white background with a window behind Mr. Keyes, and Mr. Keys was on the left.


36 posted on 04/08/2011 1:05:20 PM PDT by dinodino (Mrs. Dinodino)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Woah! Say What?!?! Oh my!!!


37 posted on 04/08/2011 1:18:49 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: EternalVigilance

Dude.

I watched the clip myself. Seriously. Me, myself, and I. Watched it, saw it, and most importantly, heard it.


38 posted on 04/08/2011 1:22:12 PM PDT by dinodino (Mrs. Dinodino)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Go to www.cspan.com and go into the video library.

After typing Obama Keyes Senate, I got 5 results. I do not have the time to look at the videos right now.


39 posted on 04/08/2011 1:28:17 PM PDT by Eric Roelfsema
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To: EternalVigilance

Are the two witnneses lying?


40 posted on 04/08/2011 1:29:17 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Why are you so insistent about it not happening? Because you haven’t seen it?


41 posted on 04/08/2011 1:59:03 PM PDT by dinodino (Mrs. Dinodino)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Well, at least they’re self-deluded. Let’s leave it at that.


42 posted on 04/08/2011 2:52:01 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If they won't protect life and liberty, what else matters?)
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To: dinodino

Because I was there. Because Alan Keyes was there. Because his staff was there. Because his archivist dealt with every second of material associated with all of it. And without exception we all say it didn’t happen.

But, if you want to believe folks on the internet who can’t produce a scintilla of evidence to back up their claims, there’s nothing I can do about that.


43 posted on 04/08/2011 2:55:14 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If they won't protect life and liberty, what else matters?)
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To: dinodino
Dude. I watched the clip myself. Seriously. Me, myself, and I. Watched it, saw it, and most importantly, heard it.

"Dude." Produce the video then. Because every eyewitness, including Dr. Keyes himself, says it never happened.

44 posted on 04/08/2011 2:57:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If they won't protect life and liberty, what else matters?)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Utterly meaningless without the video.


45 posted on 04/08/2011 2:58:20 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: EternalVigilance

Not to mention that Dr. Keyes has lawsuits against Zero on the eligibility issue so he has a vested interest in exposing it IF it existed. I take his word as the final on the matter. He was a first person party in the debate and he has the most interest in it.


46 posted on 04/08/2011 3:13:20 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: GlockThe Vote; EternalVigilance

Maybe IF they think they are telling the truth, they got it from something like “Obama Snippets”
http://www.youtube.com/user/ObamaSnippetsDotCom

I can’t tell you how many times videos made by this site or others have made it here that people thought were real.

I just saw the ‘birther’s delight’ video posted here just about a week ago with everyone cheering it was a revelation.

(this is a satire site that uses creative editing on Obama’s speeches.)


47 posted on 04/08/2011 3:20:01 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: GlockThe Vote; EternalVigilance
Are the two witnneses lying?

Maybe. Or maybe their memories are just playing tricks on them. Like people who swear they saw an Oprah episode where Tommy Hilfiger said he didn't want blacks wearing his clothes.

That never happened either (Hilfiger had never even appeared on Oprah's show), but you can find people who will swear up and down that they were witnessed him say it to Oprah.

I myself have encountered people who swore they were watching TV and saw Obama say he wanted to change the National Anthem to "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing." That never happened either; in fact, it was part of a newspaper satire column written by a Freeper.

They all may be sincere in their belief that they saw it. But their memories (especially, as in the case of the Keyes debate, their mutually inconsistent memories) don't trump the historical fact that it didn't happen the way they remember.

48 posted on 04/08/2011 3:45:41 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: LorenC

It doesn’t look good for team Obama - your team Loren.


49 posted on 04/08/2011 7:12:40 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: dinodino

I saw it also. You wont find it on CSPAN though. It is on the unedited version where you can see everyone waiting for the commercial free station break.

E.V. has taken it upon himself to call us liars though.

I will never forget watching the CSPAN host read a letter from the Obot camp trying to explain it away.

I was so close to taping that night but didn’t have an empty tape handy and was out of time. I thought for sure there were more people that would have saw it as well


50 posted on 04/08/2011 8:00:12 PM PDT by Herbster
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