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To: iowamark

That time line, and the article both indicate slavery had nothing to do with the war between the states.


3 posted on 04/12/2011 4:48:09 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

If it was possible to make a live film documentary back then and show it to them now, they would still argue with us...
I gave up a long time ago :p

Bikk


6 posted on 04/12/2011 4:56:06 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: knarf

...except slavery was the reason the South was desperate to secede, and chose war even as the Union was making every assurance that it would not fire first.


12 posted on 04/12/2011 5:30:27 AM PDT by dangus
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To: knarf
That time line, and the article both indicate slavery had nothing to do with the war between the states.

Funny, I had been reading the documents of secession from the various Confederate states, and came to a completely opposite conclusion. But then, they didn't have the timeline and the article back in the day.

14 posted on 04/12/2011 5:39:58 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: knarf

January 19th - Georgia secedes from the Union. On January 29th Georgia’s Declaration of Secession is approved stating, “For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.”

In other words, Georgia went to war specifically because of slavery. But in what way was the North hampering Georgia over slavery: it was not permitting the export of slaves from Georgia into certain Western territories.

“But, wait,” you ask, “wouldn’t Georgians lose access to the Western territories in they secede?”

Sure. Unless the South claimed the Western Territories. Don’t think it couldn’t happen, either. The forgotten battle between Ft Sumter and Bull Run was in Baltimore, when confederate supporters rioted and killed union soldiers. That was a LOT more than a thimble of blood spilt. Why do you think that the

Now, who’s the aggressor.


16 posted on 04/12/2011 5:51:20 AM PDT by dangus
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To: knarf
Texas' call to insurrection not only states unquivocably their purpose for war is slavery, but also acknowledges that the North also stood for equality of all men.:

"In all the non-slaveholding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color - a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.

I guess Texas jumped into the Union before reading the Union's justification for existence?

(Yeah, the Constitution depends on the Declaration of Independence for authority, referring as it does to pre-existing rights.)

19 posted on 04/12/2011 5:57:20 AM PDT by dangus
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