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Okay birthers, I'm open to the speculation, educate me for a second to two...
04/13/2011 | TMMT

Posted on 04/13/2011 12:43:16 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

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To: Menehune56

“FactCheck has consistently admitted that Obamas father of record was a “British subject” at the time of Jr’s birth.”

Then this is a non-starter. Issa needs to get a set of cajones and go on the Sunday talks. And he shouldn’t debate whether Obama was born in the US. He should debate what the Constitution says and that because Obama’s father was not an American citizen at the time of Obama’s birth, Obama is not eligible to be President.

Then subpeona Pelosi to testify as to why she signed off on it knowing he wasn’t eligible.

That’s what the Rats would do. Let them tell America that the Constitution is irrelevant and let the chips fall where they may.


101 posted on 04/13/2011 7:38:45 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The MSM is the greatest threat to America.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
"I want it all! I want it now!" I agree that birthplace is just a part of what is being hidden. I want to see the long form, but even more than that, I want to see what use Barry made of foreign citizenship status (Indonesian or Kenyan) later in life. There's plenty of "there" there. Donald, broaden your investigation!

102 posted on 04/13/2011 7:50:01 AM PDT by Genoa (Just show it)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

1. Complete lack of vetting by MSM or Cable during election cycle. No one did their own investigation. And none raised the jus sanguinis natural born Citizen problem. They were all cheer-leading or bashing.

We were not told of critical elements of Obama’s past. We were not told of the foreign father. We were not told of the foreign step father. We were not told of hidden college records that may show enrollment as a foreign student after the age of 18. We were not told he never lived with his supposed father as a family. We were not told he lived in Seattle Washington. We were not told his mother married another foreign national in 1965. In fact when we were told we were lied to. The media kept reporting the marriage happened in 1968 or 1969. We were not told he was registered as a Muslim at both Indonesia Schools. In fact, the media attempt to lie about that. We were not told he was mentored by a known Communist and child molester. We were not told he traveled to Pakistan, Indonesian and other Muslim countries extensively as a young adult. It was hidden until mid-2008. We were not told of Saudi-national Rezko’s real estate dealings with the Obama’s. We were not told that a Saudi prince wrote a letter that helped him get into Harvard. We were not told of his very deep relations with unindicted domestic terrorist Bill Ayers.

2.We never got an explanation as to the passport break-ins. There were three break-ins over 3 months. What the @#$#$ was going on? Never an answer.

3. Brian Schatz did not off on Obama eligibility in the legally required OCON. Why? Why? Why? When will someone question Brian Schatz on that.

4. Blackmail. You raised it. Here is the problem. What if a foreign country has the goods on Obama and could take him down personally at any time? He is deeply entangled with Saudis. The at least wrote a letter to get him into Harvard. Some speculate they paid for him to attend Harvard. He has had shady financial dealings with SAUDI NATIONAL - Rezko! The Saudis own this guy. What if they have everything on him that is not released. What if they paid for his schooling. What if the Israelis have the same material, China, Russia? No wonder this guy bows to every foreign leader - he never knows who has what on him. But the all probably have something. So without complete transparency how are we to be assured our leader is not being blackmailed by other nations? How? This is the ultimate reason transparency is needed. I know people who have gone through high level clearance at the agencies. When you go through they want to know the little things that you want to hide. The pot smoking, the affair, etc. Not that those disqualify you, but once you admit to them then they can not be used as leverage. We have a highly leveraged President right now. He has way, way to many personal secrets for the interest of national security. This President is risking the security of this nation by not disclosing his personal history in detail. He is a security risk - plain and simple.


103 posted on 04/13/2011 7:59:21 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: matginzac

That is one thing the National Enquirer is very good about is dirty politicians.

It has also hinted that there is something wrong with Obama’s presidency, not that anybody here might know what that could be.


104 posted on 04/13/2011 8:01:31 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: arasina

The point is there is no reason to have put up a short form. He already has 2 if not 3 long forms in his possession.

He and everyone would know what a BC looks like. He applied for a passport 20 some odd years ago and had to submit a certified copy to obtain a passport.

He also had to submit one for college and for a job.

Yes you can use a passport for primary ID but most people submit their BC and a drivers license.

So he has a LF BC

No reason to submit some lameass document, particularly for a guy whose entire past is sealed and largely unknown but for the narrative he decided to tell us.


105 posted on 04/13/2011 8:44:38 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: matginzac

“But isn’t running - and being elected - president when you know you are not legally eligible for the position...FRAUD???”

What would happen to one of us, everyday Joe American citizen, if we tried something like this? I imagine we’d be arrested. Why not him? Are Presidents immune to our laws?


106 posted on 04/13/2011 10:06:19 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
I doubt if there is 1% of the electorate who both (1) cares about Obama's BC and (2) would vote for Obama even if he was indisputably proved to be a natural born citizen.

So the issue is almost moot unless one or more states tighten up their ballot eligibility requirements.

107 posted on 04/13/2011 10:07:20 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Birth Certificate Derangement Syndrome - have you been tested??)
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To: tsowellfan

1. His grandmother in Kenya is on video saying how proud she was to have witnessed his birth in Mombassa, Kenya. She was quickly muzzled.
2. Trump is not going to lose anything. He just wants to know why Zero won’t release the BC if there is nothing to hide. Why would you spend two million smackaroos to prevent its release if there is nothing to hide. Trump is only asking what he’s hiding, not making specific allegations.
3. How do you know anyone has been hiring PI’s to investigate from our side? If there had been I am sure the left would be crowing about it. Hawaii won’t release anything. The COLB has been checked by forensic investigators, and proven to be a forgery. The lamestream media refuses to do their own examination, and won’t report on the findings that have come out. The lettering was pasted over the watermark, and the border was pasted together on the original that was released. On real COLB’s, the country of birth is listed for both parents. On his, only the mother’s is listed. There are a number of other problems.
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/ObamaFake.HTM
4. How do you know that the Dems haven’t found out the truth? They seem to have circled the wagons with the media.
5. The destruction of Zero won’t hurt the rest of the party anymore than what he’s already done. He’s pretty well done what they wanted to do.
6. Why do you say he’s not a good liberal? The purpose of the HCB was not to put in single payer directly. It was to destroy the insurance industry, so we would have no choice but to go to single payer run by the gubmint.
7. I don’t know if he has a Hawaiian BC or not. If he does, there is something on it that is extremely damaging. What Trump is doing is exposing the hypocrisy of the left, who ceaselessly screamed for all of Bush’s records, and when released, accused him of still covering up.


108 posted on 04/13/2011 12:08:34 PM PDT by TStro
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To: tsowellfan

You can’t even get a job in our little town without a birth certificate as my wife just found out.


109 posted on 04/13/2011 1:44:31 PM PDT by mcshot (So this is how it feels to be flushed. The "that's impossible" days are upon us.)
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To: mcshot

In this movie you cant even clean the toilets in the White House without showing your BC

http://youtu.be/mUmVFTUyEOM


110 posted on 04/13/2011 1:47:59 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: DaveTesla
Thanks for confirming what I already posted. Since that non-binding resolution doesn't mean jack squat here is a brief that could be used as the basis of a real legal challenge against McCain.

Why Senator John McCain Cannot be President: Eleven Months and a Hundred Yards Short of Citizenship

111 posted on 04/13/2011 1:56:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: panthermom
Allegiance comes from CITIZEN PARENTS!!!

OHHH, you've got it Panthermom. Because Marshall's quote, born on the soil of citizen parents is a bit abstract, your phrase it the best I've seen. People who haven't read 14th Amendment author John Bingham may not know that Bingham replaced "citizen" with "allegiance" in his formulation, but after almost three years of lies, they understand allegiance, and most of them understand parents.

112 posted on 04/13/2011 2:49:02 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding

This whole thing just drives me nuts!!!!!!!!! It’s ALL ABOUT NBC!!! Does not matter if he was born in the Oval Office!


113 posted on 04/13/2011 3:14:07 PM PDT by panthermom (Proud Mom of an Infantry Soldier)
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To: matginzac

“But isn’t running - and being elected - president when you know you are not legally eligible for the position...FRAUD???”

Of course it is! But, still, I’m led to believe that whatever the crime, the only way the guy could possibly be removed from office is by impeachment.


114 posted on 04/13/2011 6:29:59 PM PDT by Pravious
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