Skip to comments.Okay birthers, I'm open to the speculation, educate me for a second to two...
Posted on 04/13/2011 12:43:16 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
I understand the general nuance of the birther argument. And I see there's more than one prevailing theory.
While I still have a hard time believing Osama was born in Kenya. I am warming to the idea he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, became an Indonesian citizen and most likely obtained an Indonesian passport which allowed his travels to Pakistan and beyond. As well as possibly entering college in the US as a foreign student. And I'm sure there was a Muslim thing going on too... much proof of that is already out there and not in dispute.
He applied and was awarded foreign student aid, student aid from his home country (Indonesia) at the time, etc... maybe he claimed a Kenyan birth, British Father/Subject to obtain student aid that way... very plausible and would certainly explain his reluctance to release his college paperwork.
And all of that could be done with a Hawaiian birth and a sealed B/C due to the adoption, Hawaiian laws and subsequent re-issuance of the B/C.
Anyway, lets focus on Trump.
Is he throwing the hail mary pass of the century with this claim?
Does he have something he's not yet releasing or talking specifically about?
Strategic planning at work here, the mother of all October surprises?
Possibly telegraphing to Osama, that I found your dirty little secret, I have it and your day is coming?
Or is he just such a massive ego maniac, that he's let it go so far to his head he's lost touch with reality, has nothing and somehow thinks all of this is an extension of his reality show?
If Trump has nothing, produces nothing, ends up blowing all this media hype he's churned into a boil... that window comes and goes the media will eviscerate him, intentionally, for no other reason than to seek revenge upon him, discredit him even further and remind others not to mess with them, the media.
What does he gain, he needs to be take seriously in certain circles to at least keep his TV shows going, and money flowing into his pockets... that's Hollywood, the media, etc... why risk the only thing he has left over a Geraldo-esq Al Capone's Vault stunt?
It don't make any sense... none of it does honestly...
Now... for almost three years piles and piles of investigators from political campaigns, parties, WND, PI's hired by attorneys suing for records, and I'm sure some groups we've yet to even hear about...etc, etc... why do we think that Trump will find what they couldn't?
Now, If any of you don't think for a minute that the DNC hasn't been looking as well your a fool. While they publicly ridicule and scoff at the idea I am 110% positive they too have been digging... just in case it all turns out to be true.
No one seriously doubts that the media failed to vet this guy, but I find it hard to believe that in some room, somewhere, some serious top level journalist, editor or party elder has done a quality investigation just to make sure its not true.
To risk the destruction of the DNC... I would image that even the liberals in the media wouldn't want that. And throwing one guy under the bus to save the party is not out of the question for libs and the media, its happened before.
What would make Osama any different, why risk the literal destruction of the political party they worship for this one guy, who's frankly not even a very good liberal, by liberal standards... even his healthcare nightmare isn't what 90% of those who voted for him wanted, they were after full on cradle to grave commie care. Which while it is a disaster, its not full bore socialized medicine. And it looks as if the Repubs can defund it if they wanted to, so again what's he gotten the DNC and the MSM, why would they risk it all for one lackluster center-center-left-liberal?
There liberals yes, their ideologically driven yes, but I find it hard to believe that not one serious journalist guy or gal employed by the likes of the NY Times can't see or think far enough ahead to realize that no matter how absurd they think it might be. That if true it would destroy the entire DNC, their Saint Osama and create a Constitutional Crisis in this country that could possibly tear it apart.
I don't buy it... even dictators understand the idea of the endgame.
So I ask, what's the deal... why is Trump raising nine kinds of hell, what does he have?
Or is has he just lost it?
The last thing we need going into a presidential campaign is another loon-bat on the loose, running from TV camera to TV camera talking up issues. Taking away from our serious choice, if we even have one...
You know the media will eat that up and spend as much time and energy as humanly possible making sure he's on TV babbling on and on about God only knows what, while wearing a shower curtain with noodle strainer on his head.
We all better hope Trump has something.
If not and he drags this out until the middle of the campaign it will be a guaranteed 4 more years of Osama. And if Trump crashes and burns in too dramatic of a fashion he could impact House and Senate races. We could lose more seats in the Senate and lose the House.
Its not out of the realm of possibility.
Video: A Question of Eligibility (Full Movie!) Very informative!
PETITION FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OF
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMAS BIRTH CERTIFICATE
Whatever information is there Obumer has spent million’s trying to protect and the MSM has done a full court press ennobling him. If it was a Republican they would string his testicles on a rack until he came clean.
I never had any beliefs that Obama was born anywhere else but in the United States. But, so far that has not been confirmed. So, nobody can say for sure.
Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House and he were a natural born citizen, since when do we just ignore verifying with documents? That's the biggest point. Try getting a drivers license without anything but your word.
Even if all were fine with the birth certificate, he still needs to show it. We do not go by an individual's word in this nation. This is not Kenya. Furthermore, you cannot be President if a parent was not a US Citizen at the time of birth. Not that any of Obama's parents were not US Citizens or anything (we can't know for sure - the long form has that information.) Unless it was doctored.
But we cannot just accept an individual's word. If we did that, today's anchor babies could be tomorrow's President, today's illegal alien could be tomorrow's Commander In Chief. This really has nothing to do with President Obama. It has to do with the US Constitution and the presidence that's being set.
To accept his or anybody's word and their word alone is to open up a can of worms for all future Presidents, and voters for that matter. Obama's failure to show the appropriate documents to prove his eligibility sets a precedence for all future Presidents. If President Obama does have documents to prove his eligibility then why should anybody else?
As Bill Clinton may have said "It's the presidence, stupid!"
If it was a Repub, they'd of never been elected.
The media would have created a 24/7/365 cable channel dedicated to nothing but destroying the guy or gal... and then spend the rest of eternity remind people of the fact we tried to run a foreign born, illegal with a shady, fraudulent past for president.
Well in your world maybe... but elections take place in the real world and Trump better have something or its over, the media will use it to discredit the entire party come election time and then constantly remind America of all those crazy conservative birthers...
FLASHBACK: 2008 - Congressional Hearings Held To Determine Sen. John McCains Constitutionality For Presidency: No Controlling Authority To Constitutionally Verify Hussein Obamas Alleged Hawaiian Natural Birth.
I believe that is an established fact.
...became an Indonesian citizen...
As I understand it there is no documented proof of 0bama's Indonesian citizenship but foreign children can't be enrolled in Indonesian schools.
... and most likely obtained an Indonesian passport which allowed his travels to Pakistan and beyond.
He could have traveled to Pakistan on a U.S. passport.
Sorry, FRiend. I don’t buy that.
The real world is the fact that John McCain was forced into Congressional hearings to prove his eligibility to be President because of having been born on a US Military base in Panama. He had to bring all the documents that Obama has so far refused to make public.
Nobody using a US Passport would have been able to enter Pakistan during the time that Obama went there.
I don’t know that Trump actually has anything. He’s just asking questions that should have been pursued long ago, but for whatever reason the current oval office occupant got a free pass on.
Calling someone a birther seems to me to say about them that they’re claiming something, when I think that it’s less than a single percent of them that are claiming anything, just also asking reasonable questions, as Trump is now. Some do propose theories, sure. But who really knows? The facts aren’t overwhelming, and some claims are still made even after they’ve been refuted, doing nobody any favors.
I don’t know if he was born in Hawaii. He might very well have been. Others here have pointed out to me that’s not even enough to be a natural born citizen since his father was a British subject by way of Kenya and his mother was under age. Who to believe? I’m learning about this as I go.
I think it’s reasonable to also ask about Indonesian citizenship, name change, foreign aid and registering as a foreign student to get it, and if there was Saudi financing of his time at Harvard to explain his humiliating bow to their king.
Trump’s a smart man. He’s not pretending to have any unique access to the truth as far as I can tell. He has greater resources than most though, so maybe he’ll be more able to get answers to these questions, which to me seem legitimate ones for citizens to ask of someone who wants to be their president.
False. There were no travel restrictions to Pakistan then. There was a travel advisory but that does not prohibit travel. It’s BS that people keep repeating and has been debunked a thousand times here on FR.
For any republican who is afraid of Donald Trump and just wishes he’d go away. It’s simple, get Congress to do the job they should have done back in 2008. Tell them to do it now so that this eligibility issue is no longer on the table.
They did it when they questioned McCain’s eligibility back in 2008.
Tell Boehner to start Congressional hearings like they did against McCain.
It’s as simple as that.
PETITION FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OF
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMAS BIRTH CERTIFICATE
Don’t forget the mini series and spin-offs.
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