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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
While I still have a hard time believing Osama was born in Kenya

I never had any beliefs that Obama was born anywhere else but in the United States. But, so far that has not been confirmed. So, nobody can say for sure.

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House and he were a natural born citizen, since when do we just ignore verifying with documents? That's the biggest point. Try getting a drivers license without anything but your word.

Even if all were fine with the birth certificate, he still needs to show it. We do not go by an individual's word in this nation. This is not Kenya. Furthermore, you cannot be President if a parent was not a US Citizen at the time of birth. Not that any of Obama's parents were not US Citizens or anything (we can't know for sure - the long form has that information.) Unless it was doctored.

But we cannot just accept an individual's word. If we did that, today's anchor babies could be tomorrow's President, today's illegal alien could be tomorrow's Commander In Chief. This really has nothing to do with President Obama. It has to do with the US Constitution and the presidence that's being set.

To accept his or anybody's word and their word alone is to open up a can of worms for all future Presidents, and voters for that matter. Obama's failure to show the appropriate documents to prove his eligibility sets a precedence for all future Presidents. If President Obama does have documents to prove his eligibility then why should anybody else?

As Bill Clinton may have said "It's the presidence, stupid!"

4 posted on 04/13/2011 12:50:56 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: tsowellfan

I believe this is kinda simple. He was born “Barry” to start with, and continued with his English name until he ended his California college years (unfocused, bad grades, etc, etc). Then he dumped the college and moved to NY City....Columbia College, and he suddenly became focused....and he suddenly became Barak. Why? Like Mr Clay who became Mr Ali, and Lew Alcindor becoming Mr Abdul-Jabbar....he became Muslim. Every year, thousands of men in America undergo this transformation and they tend to get this period of calm and transformation.

He’s not foreign born or anything unusual like that. He simply started out as plain Barry, which is listed on the birth certificate, and then became a Muslim. He would prefer that you not figure this out and ask some stupid questions. Based on political help and insistence....he’s pretended he’s still Christian....just to get to the top. Nothing wrong with that...but it’s probably not a trait of honesty.


41 posted on 04/13/2011 2:24:44 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: tsowellfan

“This is not Kenya. Furthermore, you cannot be President if a parent was not a US Citizen at the time of birth.”

If I understand this statement correctly, if a parent was born outside the USA but became a citizen before his child was born, that is ok. Correct?

With that being the case, what we really need to find out is whether Obama’s father, whoever that is had US citizenship.

For all intents and purposes, Obama isn’t hiding whether he was born here. He is hiding whether his father, whoever that is was a US citizen before Obama was born.


50 posted on 04/13/2011 2:48:05 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The MSM is the greatest threat to America.)
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To: tsowellfan

1. His grandmother in Kenya is on video saying how proud she was to have witnessed his birth in Mombassa, Kenya. She was quickly muzzled.
2. Trump is not going to lose anything. He just wants to know why Zero won’t release the BC if there is nothing to hide. Why would you spend two million smackaroos to prevent its release if there is nothing to hide. Trump is only asking what he’s hiding, not making specific allegations.
3. How do you know anyone has been hiring PI’s to investigate from our side? If there had been I am sure the left would be crowing about it. Hawaii won’t release anything. The COLB has been checked by forensic investigators, and proven to be a forgery. The lamestream media refuses to do their own examination, and won’t report on the findings that have come out. The lettering was pasted over the watermark, and the border was pasted together on the original that was released. On real COLB’s, the country of birth is listed for both parents. On his, only the mother’s is listed. There are a number of other problems.
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/ObamaFake.HTM
4. How do you know that the Dems haven’t found out the truth? They seem to have circled the wagons with the media.
5. The destruction of Zero won’t hurt the rest of the party anymore than what he’s already done. He’s pretty well done what they wanted to do.
6. Why do you say he’s not a good liberal? The purpose of the HCB was not to put in single payer directly. It was to destroy the insurance industry, so we would have no choice but to go to single payer run by the gubmint.
7. I don’t know if he has a Hawaiian BC or not. If he does, there is something on it that is extremely damaging. What Trump is doing is exposing the hypocrisy of the left, who ceaselessly screamed for all of Bush’s records, and when released, accused him of still covering up.


108 posted on 04/13/2011 12:08:34 PM PDT by TStro
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To: tsowellfan

You can’t even get a job in our little town without a birth certificate as my wife just found out.


109 posted on 04/13/2011 1:44:31 PM PDT by mcshot (So this is how it feels to be flushed. The "that's impossible" days are upon us.)
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