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Where is the seal? (vanity)

Posted on 04/27/2011 8:15:38 AM PDT by Former Fetus

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To: ClearCase_guy

Yep, the date and time are recorded at the time of creation of the .pdf

Normally there is more info. Like user or computer name etc.

All this tells me is that it was done on a Mac and the date/time stamp.

I did not look at all details of the .pdf when I unzipped it using PDFTK only what was quickly visible.


41 posted on 04/27/2011 9:16:10 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Former Fetus

The reason he will never release the original document, if it exists, is that the original birth name is not Barrack H. Obama, II.


42 posted on 04/27/2011 9:18:58 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Leonard210

Manual, electric or Selectric?


43 posted on 04/27/2011 9:29:24 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Leonard210

Manual, electric or Selectric?


44 posted on 04/27/2011 9:29:42 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: jeffo

Irregularity in the texture of the paper, the typewriter ribbon, the fold of the typewriter ribbon, the amount of ink that was on the typewriter ribbon, the amount of dust or small-paper-bits residue that was on the original piece of paper, the amount of pressure applied by the typist striking the typewriter key, the speed at which the typewriter key was struck, or some combination of the above.


45 posted on 04/27/2011 9:34:45 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; Hiro Protaginast
For what it's worth, this is from Hawaii.gov web site...

The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

I don't pretend to know how it all works out when run through the mill, I just throw it out here for informational purposes.

46 posted on 04/27/2011 9:44:43 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Depending on the processing of the image, the whitish outline around the letters could conceivably have been generated when the document was scanned and converted to a digital image. It could have conceivably been generated by converting the original scanned image into a different format. Or, it’s possible that the process the Hawaii Dept of Health used to generate the certificate is done by taking a photograph of the original page, imperfectly removing white space, overlaying that digitally onto a digital security-paper background and then laser-printing the result. It is curious that the outline exists, but in light of the fact that we have a letter from the Director of the Hawaii State Health Department attesting to the authenticity of the document, it seems highly unlikely to me that there’s any forgery involved at least on the White House end of things. Forgery on the Hawaii end of things is of course possible, but would have to be a pretty significant conspiracy. If anyone wants to make that case they can certainly do so, but without some extremely hard evidence it’s likely to be a very, very hard sell to the country in general.


47 posted on 04/27/2011 9:46:03 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: FrankR

As noted elsewhere, unless anybody can demonstrate that the certificate posted by the White House is not one of the two copies that accompanied the letter from Hawaii Dept of Health Director Loretta J Fuddy, visible here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-correspondence.pdf

...OR that the letter from Loretta J Fuddy is itself a forgery (which appears highly unlikely), then the lack of an embossed seal is completely irrelevant, since we have a personal letter from no less than the Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health testifying as to the certificate’s authenticity.

I know you’d like to believe the certificate released today is a fake, but the simple lack of an embossed seal, as far as I can see, does not support that belief in light of the existence of Ms. Fuddy’s letter.


48 posted on 04/27/2011 10:00:14 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Former Fetus
In boxes 5a & 5b, it looks like the month and day (August 4) were typed at one time, and the year and time (1961 7:24) were typed at a different time. "August 4" is slightly higher than "1961 7:24".

I would think that all of this would've been typed at the same time.

Or maybe it's just a lousy photoshop...

49 posted on 04/27/2011 10:04:56 AM PDT by Living Free in NH
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To: Former Fetus
SmileyCentral.com HOW ABOUT A PENGUIN INSTEAD?
50 posted on 04/27/2011 10:10:40 AM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: Hiro Protaginast
There appears to be a residual misunderstanding that a "Certificate of Live Birth" is in fact, a birth certificate. They are one and the same. Anyone out there can look at their own if they doubt me.

By contrast, the initial document released by Obama was a "Certification of Live Birth" - an abstract, only.

The fact remains that there are still many unresolved and intentionally hidden details about Obama's history. The release of this document does not change that. It may be difficult to admit when you've been snookered by a con man - but I think we'd all be wise to do so now and move on to real issues.

51 posted on 04/27/2011 10:16:02 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Former Fetus

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2702976/posts?page=1566#1566


52 posted on 04/28/2011 12:17:28 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I’m not a PDF expert but I don’t understand the white blocks around all of the typing. If you blow up the PDF, you can see that the typed material is not going directly on to security paper. The typed material is all isolated in white blocks, with a security paper background. It seems odd.

Because the birth certificate has been faked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hUqNHBA3o8

53 posted on 04/28/2011 4:58:14 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

Have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c


54 posted on 04/28/2011 5:02:49 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Former Fetus
Where is the embossed seal of the State of Hawaii? Where are the signatures of the director of health and the registrar general from 1961? Why don't they show in the so-called copy?

The embossed seal is difficult to see, but I can see the circular pattern in the lower left of the certificate.

The signatures of the Director of Health and the Registrar General are NOT from 1961, they are from 1966, on the bottom of the paper that included the copy of the 1961 certificate. Those signatures are certifying that the COLB is authentic. Just as the signature of State Registrar is included on the bottom of the paper that included the copy of Obama's 1961 certificate, certifying that it is authentic.

55 posted on 04/28/2011 5:14:21 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The real document above is attested as a "True and Correct Copy". The president's document is attested as a "True Copy or Abstract of the Record on File". Can we see the "True and Correct Copy" of what is on file for the President?

I swear some people just don't think. In 1966, these records were not digitized. So when the Nordyke's requested a copy of their BC, thats what they got, a "True and Correct Copy" of the actual certificate on file.

2 years ago, the COLB that Obama released was the short form, which took the digitized data and printed it on a 2001 version of the form, hence it was an "Abstract" of the original document. Yesterday, he released a "True Copy" of the actual document on record.

The stamp was made to apply to either the CertificaTION of the type that was released 2 years ago, or the CertificaTE of the type that was released yesterday.

It really is not that difficult to understand. There are still valid questions about his eligibility based on the nationality of his father, but continued insistence that his BC's are forgeries is simply asinine!

56 posted on 04/28/2011 5:30:13 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Sorry, I should have included the </sarc> tag at the end of my reply.

The document was scanned by the White House into a .pdf, and the program doing the scanning attempted to perform an OCR (Optical Character Recognition) on the document to isolate the text in the document. It is a way to scan a document and get editable text from it.

The document was not faked.

57 posted on 04/28/2011 6:02:21 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; Hiro Protaginast
The acronym COLB stands for "Certificate of Live Birth."

2 years ago, COLB stood for "Certification of Live Birth" and we heard all about the difference between a Certificate and a Certification. Thats why the Certificate was demanded.

Check out this site. It has both documents, the CertificaTION of Live Birth released 2 years ago, and the CertificaTE of Live Birth released yesterday. There is a difference, in name and in content. And these images are before the WH added green security hash.

http://www2.wspa.com/obama-birth-certificate/

58 posted on 04/28/2011 7:02:41 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: Texas Fossil
The reason he will never release the original document, if it exists, is that the original birth name is not Barrack H. Obama, II.

Or because the actual original document is bound in a book in the records office and will never be released. What was released yesterday was a copy of that document.

59 posted on 04/28/2011 7:07:10 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: Tatze
No matter what else is wrong with it, a digital image is no substitute for a hard copy with embossed seal.

You couldn't get a passport with the digital image.

What is needed is a hard-copy examined by the FBI.

60 posted on 04/28/2011 7:15:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When and why did Steve Dunham change his name to Barack Hussein Obama? When he converted to Islam?)
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