Posted on 04/27/2011 8:55:45 PM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
The Obama Birth Certificate presents far more questions than answers:
First of all, it is not a source document or even a direct copy of a source document. It is an electronic document (PDF) seemingly derived from an OCR process that treats some portions of the document as images and some as characters. At best, it is a second generation document that emulates the original but is not an exact copy. Because of this, one cannot ascertain whether the variations between the original and the OCR-derived document distort the data, either intentionally or unintentionally. At worst, it is a forgery.
Secondly, it is incomprehensible why anyone would take a source document and convert it into an electronic document through a process that creates a hybrid of characters and images, unless there was a desire to tamper with those images and characters. To allow such a document to be published in this manner just begs for deeper scrutiny.
Third, to publish the document with the layers of the images and characters still intact further compromises the credibility of the document. This publishing job has been described as "amateurish", not a term anyone would want to use to describe what should be incontrovertable proof of one's birth. In the format it was presented, it offers present-day sleuths to peel back the layers and perform forensic analysis.
Finally, to present this image of an original 1961 document over a present-day computer-generated background is perplexing, and certainly detracts from the fidelity with the original that the document should possess.
A simple image file can certainly be photo-shopped, but a certified image would present a more accurate and professional means of communicating the content of what is supposedly in the files in Honolulu.
This document reminds me of an old Buick in Cuba that still sorta looks like a Buick, but doesn't have many original parts, but is loaded down with excessive paraphenalia that only detracts from it's original appearance.
The question that lingers in the case of the Obama Birth Certificate is "Why?".
Listening to Obama throw his hissy fit about having better things to spend his time on reminded me of Bill Clinton telling us he had better things to do than answer questions about whether he lied to a Grand Jury. Even when Obama tells the truth you know he’s hiding something....
I’m going to bed tonight, with MORE questions raised, than questions answered. I opened up the photo myself in Adobe Illustrator, and it is evident that some tampering could easily be done. We need a second opinion. I’ve got lots of evidence of my birth, a hospital record, a copy from the Vital Statistics, a record at church, letters of congratulations, What I saw on the Internet, was the same thing floating around before the election. Hawaii law DID allow people to be born in the islands, and elsewhere, just had to be brought to register before the infant reached 12 months. I think this is what happened...
Why indeed. Why put this photocopy with high contrast over a lame “security paper” layer? Is that supposed to make people connect it to the COLB they gave out in the beginning? So it’s official looking? That in itself is a kind of forgery.
If his people are that superficial, that condescending, that LAME,....
See my post http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2711500/posts?page=33#33 where I experimented by scanning to PDF a print out of the White House supplied BC. Scanning to PDF using my copier at work creates the same type of layering when viewed in Adobe Illustrator. The layered file argument is a dead end.
Actually, I think the whole birther conspiracy theory went bust today.
The countless posts about how the long form released is a fake is just the wailing, flailing and gnashing of people obsessed with a conspiracy theory they can’t let go of.
Nothing will satisfy the fanatics. When even Donald Trump concedes that this birth certificate is real, the “skeptics” will claim he too has gone RINO.
It is really time for reason to prevail here and to get on with attacking Obama on the actual issues rather than fantasies. Hussein has been a complete disaster as a President and has an obvious and massive track record of failure. He can be beaten on the issue that the vast majority of American’s will be voting on - the economy. As for the birth certificate conspiracies, they’ve been debunked, are irrelevant and the people still pushing them are making absolute fools of themselves.
I’m confused too, but one thing is for sure - this document does little to settle the issue, and the controversy now shifts into a discussion of technical imaging and document management (which few of us are experts in).
The question is: why did Obama chose to release the document knowing this? The obvious answer is, Trump was getting way too much traction, and they were scared spitless.
Based on some theories I’ve read tonight - it could be that the only form the BC exists in is electronic, that the original were destroyed long ago. If so, they would know these questions would be asked and wouldn’t it make a lot of sense to have anticipated them and negated them by offering an explanation in advance?
It’s what collectors call “provenance” - and we ain’t got it.
Thank you for your post. It really is time to move on from this issue.
To people that use Adobe this is a forgery.
Obama’s new Birth Certificate - Proven to be altered and changed, Now Just More Questions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9CSvGrT0uM
President Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF has Layers - FAKE! (mirror)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-gDH5z0PKI
Obama’s Long Form Certificate of Birth Certificate is a Forgery ~ 04-27-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQkulIT7iL
This guy tried to get multiple layers from a scanned in document. Couldn’t.
White House Birth Certificate is Forgery? 2 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPX33ZNdmlo
I think it is a forgery.
The pixelation of the number up at the top “10641” If you do a high magnification on it.
You can se pixelation around it.
Obama’s Birth Certificate Is 100% Fake? Professional Graphics Designer Agrees It’s A Fake 1 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMxVbPCPBY
Why does President Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF Have Layers? 3 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLTtengEvwk
Obama’s Birth Certificate Exposed Debunked as a Layered, Photoshopped, Fraud Hoax? 4 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk
Obama Birth Certificate Scam? 2011-04-27 Obama.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c
Unfortunately, that isn't going to stop the fringe. Good grief, this is ridiculous.
I'm sure that Obama and his minions are grinning from ear to communist ear at this junk.
It wouldn't surprise me a bit to learn that they released a file with very specific characteristics that might lend one to believe it is a fake, just to see the circus continue.
There’s no way that the White House Version is a scan of a piece of paper. The AP version is—whether or not the paper was genuine—but the White House version was not.
See the Karl Deninger Video, recently posted here. It is absolutely convincing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c&feature=player_embedded
Correct. A dead end.
So are the complaints about OCR artifacts. Ahem, if you lookin the PDF doc (and I did), you can find that (Mac OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDFContext) is there.
The physical document was scanned with an OCR-enabled scanner, and then they did print to PDF.
The End.
This actually proves that there WAS a physical document, because a photoshop creation wouldnt have the scanner/OCR artifacts.
So the 'evidence' its suspect is actually evidence it is legit.
Game Over ... move along now, nothing to see here.
“Game Over”
Nope.
#6 concisely debunks all that nonsense.
One of them is the "Green Background" certificate. I believe that has been shown to have been assembled (by someone unknown) from various components.
The other version released today is the "White Background" certificate.
This alone is very bizarre. Why two completely different looking copies of the supposedly same document released on the same day? Where did they come from.
Obama claims he sent his lawyers to get the docs. Did they get both the Green and White versions?
White Birth Certificate It seems clear someone decided to make the White version look more official, so they created the Green version. That was an incredibly stupid thing to do, but it was obviously done.
The version that needs to be either debunked or authenticated is the white version. Karl Denninger says it's a clean photo of an actual document.
So far all the analysis is on the Green version. Case closed on that. But the White version is much more convincing and doesn't have a bunch of the manipulations that the Green has.
Ping
Here is the evidence. All Freepers should watch this video. It does a good explanation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c
You're kidding! WTF? Over.
If you are objective, then please watch video in Post 18 and then explain how what the guy is saying is false.
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