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Posted on 05/02/2011 10:20:36 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
Darn that General Washington for retreating every time the British got close with their overwhelming numbers.******Darn that Washington for quitting, going back to Mount Vernon and writing a book...What? He didn't quit? Nevermind.******
Did not the US military get their butts kicked at the Chosin Reservoir and then come back later? ****** The US fought its way back up to the Yalu River? Anybody tell the ChiComs about this?
Well, actually no. Washington lost more battles than he won, but won the war by means of a Fabian strategy.
MacArthur came back when he was stronger.
And no, we did not fight our way back to the Yalu. We were AT the Yalu River when Peng DeHeui’s Chinese armies ambushed us. The First Marine Division was able to evacuate from the Chosin Resevoir after destroying seven Chinse divisions, but the rest of the U.S. Army was sent into ignominious retreat all the way back to the Han River.
It was left to Matthew Ridgeway to restore stability to the Korean Campaign in the spring of 1951.
So, your paralells with Palin don’t exactly hold up.
Best,
Chris
numbers USA founder is a believer in population control. i don’t listen to what proabortionists have to say.
I can't believe anyone would disagree with the points she made, but I was wrong.
All public officers, before entering upon the duties of their offices, shall take and subscribe to the following oath or affirmation: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Alaska, and that I will faithfully discharge my duties as . . . to the best of my ability." The legislature may prescribe further oaths or affirmations.Funny, I don't see anything there about promising to serve an entire term, no matter what may befall. There are only three things being pledged to:
If you want to argue that her resignation violates the third point, you run counter to the fact that it expressly includes a "to the best of my ability" clause -- her ability to discharge her office's duties was impaired by frivolous ethics charges and she made the judgment call that stepping aside would serve the interests of the state due to this diminished ability.
Now, if you want to argue that Washington's winter at Valley Forge is the same as Palin's fold or that Mac's following orders to evacuate Corregidor is the same as Palin's "lame-duck - so I quit" performance then go right ahead.
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Unless it's Libya where there are no clear and vital american interests at stake.
2. IF we have to fight, we fight to win. We use overwhelming force, we only send in our troop into war with the objective to defeat the enemy as quickly as possible: We do not send in our military to stretch out the mission with an open-ended and ill-define mission. NATION BUILDING is a nice idea in theory but it is not the main purpose of our Arm Forces, we use our military to win wars.
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Unless it's Libya where we commit air and maybe ground forces in support of a rebel force (nation building)about whom we know nothing.
5. Sending out our Arm Forces should be our last resort....
Unless it's Libya where applying our force was a first option.
I guess we should not talk about Palin's Libya policy statements though, they might kill the buzz.
......she said our goal is to get Gaddafi for trial for the killing of u.s. Citizens over the PAN-AM bombing and get out....she doesn’t care about deals made with the bush admin...
But, as I wrote earlier, talking about facts can be such a buzz killer.
Do you want the truth or do you just want to keep repeating Democrat talking points?
If you want the truth she quit for the good of the State of Alaska, not for her own benefit. The Democrats, specifically one female Democrat activist, kept filing groundless lawsuits against the State of Alaska and Palin as the governor. It was costing the state as well as Palin a lot of money to defend against this onslaught of legal trivia. She decided that since there was a capable Republican Lt. Governor to take her place she would resign and remove the target of the suits. That hurt Sarah but it helped the state save money on legal bills. It was a tough choice and she made the right one.
Now there are people like you who take the side of the Democrats and pile on someone for making the tough choices. I suppose you prefer the Obama approach to leadership but Sarah is a REAL leader.
Now, please STFU.
You get real....she said to Greta “our U.S. Interest is get Gaddafi for the killing of U.S. Citizens”. Prove me wrong! she either said that or didn’t
Buzz off!
I’d would rather elect someone willing to relinquish power over a title-clinging politician (i.e. Blagovich, Sanford, Chavez) who refuses to surrender power under any circumstances short of being indicted or ousted in a military coup.
“Quitting” isn’t inherently bad, if done for the right reasons. In fact, let’s look at her history. Did you know Palin “quit” another six figure job, her oil & gas ethics commissioner job before she became governor? She resigned to protest corruption when the sitting Republican governor wouldn’t investigate the state party chair for sharing confidential state documents with an oil lobbyist. She quit because by law as a commissioner she couldn’t go public with her concerns because of confidentiality rules. So she quit to be able to blow the whistle on collusion knowing it would probably kill any chance she had to succeed in state politics as a Republican. And you know what happened to that state party chair? He was later given the largest ethics fine in Alaska history, largely because Palin had the courage to put pressure on the governor’s office and the Republican party. And what happened to Palin? She became Governor of Alaska.
Now let’s look at her situation as governor.
Palin was paid roughly 337,500 in 32 months as governor. After 19 bogus ethics charges against her, she owed around 500,000 in legal fees to her attorney. The current laws of Alaska required that every single filed ethics complaint to be investigated no matter how ridiculous (being photographed with a fish, wearing a jacket with a logo, receiving choclates and hockey sticks as bribes) and all at the personal cost of the defendant. Had she stayed in office another 16 months, she likely would have been forced into bankruptcy because Alaska law does not automatically cover the legal defense of its governors nor was the Attorney General of the state or someone else designated by the state to defend her like all other states. If you were working in a job that was costing you almost twice as much to go into work everyday than you were making would you stay there?
Even her set up of a legal defense fund like other politicians have was deemed unethical (It was arguably the strictest legal defense fund in history with all the restrictions it had for those who could donate) wherein a politically motivated investigator suggested Palin should just let Alaska taxpayers pay for her legal defense. They wanted Alaskans to take the bullet for the political malice of Palin’s enemies.. In less than a year, she racked up half-a-million (to put this in perspective, her salary as Governor was only 125,000 a year and she had even declined a 25,000 raise by the legislature) in legal charges with much more to come.
Has any politician at the state level attracted the volume of attacks directed at Palin? Is it normal for a governor to go personally bankrupt defending themselves against bogus ethics complaints? Palin incurred almost twice as much legal debt as the salary she drew as governor. Every day she spent in office she was one day closer to personal bankruptcy.
One can argue that she should have just fought her enemies instead of letting them win.
These frivolous lawsuits effectively paralyzed her administration wasting time and money; moreover, her office was bombarded with countless Freedom of Information Act requests.
The research and paperwork needed to address the lawsuits and FOIA requests, had an estimated cost of State time of 2 million and rising.
If you decide to continue fighting your enemies at the expense of the people you serve is that even ethical? If your presence in office is causing heavy collateral damage to your state, is it smart and ethical to remain in office no matter the cost?
By resigning, Palin effectively took the circus out of Alaska.
It is not a defect to relinquish power for the good of all. When politicians or members of the media criticize Governor Palin for resigning office, remember why she did so. Then ask yourselves, who are these people criticizing her for making that move? What would they have done if they were in her shoes, and why? This move on her part was what a good leader and a true public servant should do, given the circumstances. If only all of our elected leaders put the public good above their own ambition, perhaps this country would be better off.
Never entrust power to those unwilling to surrender it.
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So what? All she was doing was (once again) clarifying her earlier statement on Pirro's show.
And, if our "clear and vital interest" (her policy words) were to get rid of Gadaffi then, my goodness, how have we managed to survive as a nation for thirty years of his reign? How are we still surviving this threat to our "clear and vital interest"?
And, how is the imposition of a NFZ the application of her policy as she stated;
"IF we have to fight, we fight to win. We use overwhelming force, we only send in our troop into war with the objective to defeat the enemy as quickly as possible"
Here's a clue...it isn't. In fact it contradicts her own stated policy.
Darn those facts. Darn video tape. Darn that pesky internet...life would be so much easier without them.
Your points only hold if and only if you can do all of the following:
1. Point to the specific line in the oath that requires her to stay in office no matter what.
2. Prove that the Alaska would have been better off with its state government as a circus where no actual work could be done
3. Prove that the Alaska Governor at that point in time had the same type of legal protections that the POTUS enjoys or something very similar
Who made you 'god' to judge. I find it very strange how there is as much zeal against Sarah as is for her... and some demonstrate their total lack of 'compassion' for what political operatives set about to politically and financially destroy this one woman.
What goes around comes around and 'we the people' are getting close to the 180 degree mark... and no these words do not translate that I am a Sarah supporter, yet. But I do know 'right' from 'left' and when 'hate' spills into a religious zeal.
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Alaska, and that I will faithfully discharge my duties as Governor to the best of my ability.”
Read her book and you will understand why she resigned. Most Alaskan’s understand why. Palin haters never will.
President-elect Barack Obama submitted his letter of resignation from the U.S. Senate this afternoon, effective Sunday, November 13, 2008. Seems like this was two years short on his term! What a quitter. Could it just possibly be that sometimes you resign for the good of the country or State?
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