Finding on Dialects Casts New Light on the Origins of the Japanese People

The New York Times ^ | 04 May 2011 | NICHOLAS WADE

[wildbill]

I didn’t see the Ainu mentioned in the posted piece.

As far as I know, the Japanese consider the Ainu to be the “other”; in other words, not Japanese.

Most of the stuff I’ve read about the Ainu seems to indicate they were probably descended from the original inhabitant hunter gatherers and were gradually driven into their isolated status.

[SunkenCiv]

Ainu about this at one time, blam probably has more.

[blam]

"Most of the stuff I’ve read about the Ainu seems to indicate they were probably descended from the original inhabitant hunter gatherers and were gradually driven into their isolated status. "

That's correct. (The oldest Jomon skeleton ever found is 13,000 years old.)"Recent Y-DNA haplotype testing has found that the Jōmon are the genetic ancestors of the Ainu and partly of modern Japanese people.[3] "

The distinctive Jomon cord-pottery style has been found in ancient pottery in Olmec regions of Mexico.

[BenLurkin]

Interesting!

[gleeaikin]

While Europe may have been settled about 8,000 years ago, I is more likely that the waves of Kurgan invaders from the centeral Asian steppes around 6 and 5 thousand years ago brought the Indo-European languages. They also invaded India. In addition they brought the male killer god worship which displaced the female growing nurturing goddess worship. Thus a dominator social model may have displaced a more democratic partnership oriented social model, much to our subsequent distress.

[Claud]

I’ll give you a home-grown example. Here on the East Coast, there are Indian tribes that have been intermarrying with local white folks for hundreds of years. You’ll find Indians who don’t look Indian at all. And if they still happen to speak Lenape or Iroquois then you have a group that’s pretty racially white but linguistically not even close to Indo-European.

But one thing is clear...beyond about 5000 years the trail runs cold as far as interconnecting the language families. Oh sure people have their theories, but it’s nothing that I’ve found particularly convincing.

[blam]

The Moment Before....
(Abbey Road)

[wildbill]

I think the pottery was the subject of a portion of one of the shows on the History Channel recently. An American archeologist and one from Chile Or Columbia had discovered the similarities between the ancient pottery styles found there in S. America and pottery styles (symbols and designs) from Japan.

Their arguement is that the pottery style had to be the result of ocean travel between the two locations using known Pacific currents rather than a walking migration via the Siberian Alaska land bridge theory.

[blam]

Correct again.

Ancient People Followed 'Kelp Highway' to America, Researcher Says

I liked this book:

The Zuni Enigma
(Still arriving in the thirteen hundreds)

[agrace]

Fascinating link.

[fishtank]

there’s way too much “ybp” bs in that article.

When will a scholar defy the pc wisdom and just use “BC” and “AD”?????????????

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[SunkenCiv]

I’d never have guessed that Rich would be one of the survivors to this point.

[SunkenCiv]

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