[truthguy]

PU must be a generational thing because for me rock wasn’t rock until heavy metal came to be in the early 70’s.I consider most of what was made in the 60’s equivelent to the AT40 and unlistenable.That was my parents generations music not mine.

Yours is a post that bears replying to. There was nearly 20 years of Rock & Roll prior to the heavy metal sounds that came in the late 1960s and early 1970s. R&R has a particular sound and it is characterized by a sound that makes you want to get up in dance (or at least move) for lack of a better definition. Heavy Metal does none of the above and the problem with it is that no one has even come close to doing it as well as Jimi Hendrix or Zeppelin did in the aforementioned time period. You cannot make up your own definitions.

Heavy Metal isn't R&R or even Rock because you don't rock and you don't roll. Most heavy metal bands are noise makers plain and simple. Very few have musical talent and no songs or tunes from these bands have any lasting value that I'm aware of. They appeal to adolescent tastes. If that's offensive, so be it. If you don't believe me, try this on for size. See if you can hum a tune from any of that music or for that matter even sing along with the song. You most probably cannot because there is no melody to speak of. And if you watch audiences listening to heavy metal groups, you will notice an absence of movement.

So I will conclude that Heavy Metal isn't rock & roll or even rock. It's should not appropriate that title just as Rap (even more horrific) shouldn't be mentioned as rock & roll or rap. It's another genre.

[McLynnan]

As Bob Seger sings:

Still like that old time rock and roll
That kind of music just soothes the soul
I reminisce about the days of old
With that old time rock and roll

Call me a relic call me what you will
Say I'm old fashioned say I'm over the hill
Today's music ain't got the same soul
I like that old time rock and roll

[chris_bdba]

That is your opinion and like they say opinions are like @**holes everyone has one.

[pieceofthepuzzle]

“So I will conclude that Heavy Metal isn't rock & roll or even rock.”

You may be right, strictly speaking, but the reality for me is that I really don't like a lot of what would be traditionally characterized as ‘rock’, although I very much appreciate its value. If I had to listen to CCR or, the Stones, or Chuck Berry, etc. for an extended period it would bore me, but that's obviously just me. For the record, I don't like most ‘heavy metal’.

Regarding your comment about musicianship, I agree that there are many out there who aren't technically proficient or innovative musicians, but many who are play music that you probably wouldn't consider Rock and Roll. For example, Steve Howe of Yes is an absolutely phenomenal guitarist, and Bill Bruford who played with Yes and King Crimson is a phenomenal drummer. Yes and Crimson were very innovative as well, but you either like their stuff, or you don't.

[octex]

Way to go, truthguy!

R&R and DooWop began in the early ‘50s. The music was unique, ‘danceable’ and the lyrics could be understood, unlike this hip hop rap crap of today and the heavy metal style of the ‘70-’80s. .......I will admit that there were a few Led Z tunes that I did like, along with ZZ Top.