Its quite possible that you are correct, however I’ve not seen Mormons willing to put themselves in harms way, especially like this-———
Are you aware of how many times, they have had genocide pulled on them? Not in other countries. Right here in America.
Creative history mormon style?
Seriously? Where is your source on such a statement? And all know about Mountain Massacre, so don’t use that one.
I wasn't aware Mormons were a race unto themselves...
Could you provide a place & date? (And be more specific than Missouri, 1830s...or Nauvoo, IL, June 1844 when three prisoners wielding two pistols lost their lives in a shoot-out)
There's usually only five periods designated as including hostilities:
1833 Jackson Co. MO
1838 Davis & Carroll Co., MO
1844 Nauvoo, IL
1850 Utah "War"
Vague reference to latter 19th century ... usually 1880s but no specifics given other than anti-polygamy ... like Bean Counter did on post #14 found here:
Bean Counter comment on FR thread
The most vocal and strident opposition occurred during the 19th century, particularly during the Utah War of the 1850s, and in the second half of the century when the practice of polygamy in Utah was widely considered by the U.S. Republican Party as one of the “twin relics of barbarism” along with slavery.[1]...“As for the persecution complex,” writes Jeff Lindsay, “some of us may make too big a deal of our past and of current misunderstandings”. “There has been a difference in the way Mormons have been treated in the past. There has been genuine persecution, though we are grateful in these days that overt violence against us has generally ceased..." Many traditional Christians,[who?] however, further take exception to the so-called “persecution complex” within Mormonism in light of statistics that an estimated 170,000 traditional Christians worldwide are martyred for their faith each year,[20] a figure that far exceeds, even on a per-capita basis, reports of Mormon martyrdom by orders of magnitude.
So Bean Counter references Mormon claims to "persecution" in a context where 170,000 traditional Christians worldwide are martyred for their faith.
Yes, you said "Right here in America" Freddd...so can bolster your "genocide" contention with evidence?
Let's deal with the periods mentioned above:
Q1 Where & when did "genocide" pop out vs. Mormon during the polygamy years? (Dates, places, please)
Q2 What about the so-called "Utah War" in the 1850s?
The "Utah War" consisted of Utah Mormons raiding some calvary camps on their route to Utah Territory -- stealing some supplies. Nobody was injured, let alone died. While indeed no Mormons died in this war, the reality is that three U.S. Army soldiers were killed in one ambush (IRRC) and several more were injured. Also, during one winter, another 36 soldiers perished at Fort Bridger from the lack of supplies, most from malnutrition — mainly scurvy. (Another consequence of Mormons raiding supplies). [Sounds to me that the almost 40 victims...plus the 120 or more who were massacred by the Mormons @ Mtn Meadow Massacre were the true victims in the 1850s!]
That leaves Missouri, 1830s.
Q3 What about 1833?: In the middle of 1833 in Jackson County, Missouri...Mormons had armed men...ranges have varied from whom you listen to from tens to hundreds...up to 400 armed Mormons. Source: Kansas City Daily Journal, April 24, 1881
Result from Nov. 4, 1833 conflict: Two died (one a Mormon)
After that, the Mormons had 58 months of peace in Missouri.
Q4 What about 1838?: Jackson Co. people, along with those representing Bay Co., then got involved in backing some hot-heads in Davis & Carroll Counties in Sept. 1838...by October 1838 fighting & killing occurred on both sides, with property losses being less than what Lds later exaggerated.
I'm not justifying what some Missourians did in 1838; things happened on both sides:
(a): See, for example, the first entry at: Setting the record straight on the 'Hawn's' Mill Massacre In article, it explains how the Mormons love to cite Jacob Haun (real name was spelled Jacob Hawn with a "w"), who was the owner of the Hawn's Mill. But Jacob Hawn was never a Mormon...(In that article, a historian discusses why Jacob and Harriet Hawn were never Mormons. "I like many other historians mainly assumed they were Mormons." But among other proofs, Baugh explained that they arrived earlier to Caldwell County before the Mormons, and no family records report that they were Mormons. So the mill that was attacked wasn't even a Mormon mill, after all. [Rewrite the history books]
(b) From the above-linked article: With 17 Mormons killed and 14 Mormons injured, the historian explained that the massacre on October 30, 1838 was the "singular most tragic event in terms of loss of life and injury enacted by an anti-Mormon element against the Latter-day Saints in our entire church's history." Well, I would hope that historians would present history in a more balanced way. What's NOT mentioned in that article is that 12 days before this attack:
•On October 18, 1838, Joseph Smith, Hyrum Smith, Lyman Wight, D. W. Patten at the head of 40 men made a descent on Gallatin, the county seat of Daviess, and they burned the only store and stole their goods. Previous to the 25th of October a great part of the Mormons residing in Caldwell County had returned home with their dividend of plunder.
* 6 days before this attack: • On October 25, 1838, the Battle of Crooked River: Mormon forces attacked (unknowingly?) the Missouri state militia under the command of Samuel Bogart. This incident became one of the principal points of conflicts in 1838 Missouri. The battle resulted in the death of three militia and the LDS leader, David Patten. One of the militia was taken prisoner by the Mormons. Source: http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/mormonism/are-christians-persecuting-mormons
You can see how "lopsided" Mormon historians tend to present history!
Where is your source? (Oh, yea mormons are not a race, beyond that...) Where is your source?
When are you going to respond?
No. How many?