Posted on 06/17/2011 4:41:00 PM PDT by MileHi
More about M1 food
Just to make things clear...
Are you talking about a M1 Garand in .30-06 or s Springfield M1A in .308 Winchester?
Same with the Swede, which was supposed to be a cheap truck gun. When it showed up the dealer almost wouldn't turn loose of it.
For some reason the Swedish Mausers shoot more accurately than any other of the old rifles.
Bank vault craftsmanship! And the 6.5 140gr pill is a very good design as far as BC/sectional density.
A 2003 vintage Garrand 30.06.
Got a couple of Swede ‘96’s. Not fired much but beautiful rifles. Very effective with the high ballistic coefficient. Wish I had known more about them when they were plentiful, as I would have bought a dozen.
No doubt! Me and some friends ordered some $89 rifles for truck guns. They showed up near new 36 Calvary rifles that were too nice to beat up. They are fine rifles that shoot better than many new high dollar sporters. The 140 6.5 kills better than the numbers would indicate. I believe the 6.5 project for the AR is on the right track.
Dammmit.
Just saw your tag line. Sorry for your loss, thank you for your son.
Happy Fathers Day.
So have I. But, I didn't get to be an old dog by believing what I hear. LOL. So I stay on the cautious side of things and keep well inside the published specs. I did roll up some of those Barnes teflon coated copper jobs, but I eased back on the Reloader 12 to make sure I keep 'em under 2600.
I haven't fired any of them out of the SA, but I pushed a few out of an Ishapore Enfield I have just to check the velocity. They're right about where I want them, but I don't have any way to check the pressure curve.
So, they're just sitting there, waiting for a rainy day.
Thanks. Good boy he was. Kinda lost without him, but these things happen.
I am not an expert but, what I did was search long and hard for good information. I even talked to Springfield.
I only recall them saying this gun will take any load commercially available.
As in never loaded? All to the good if you can put them on top of the right sort of propellant. The pulls I have are very clean, little or no marking.
It speaks of a horrendously-abused rifle.
If the gas-port pressure is correct, the energy of the properly-pressurized gas is consumed in compressing the op-rod spring and in loading the next round.
If the gas-port pressure is too high, the op-rod/bolt assembly is essentially a miniature pile-driver pounding on the back of the receiver.
The rifle action overall is exceptionally strong.
The common description of the original Garand proof-testing is along the lines of:
Mr. Garand built up progressively higher proof loads in increments of 5,000 lbs. pressure, from the regular proof load of 70,000 lbs. to the extreme figure of 120,000 lbs. per square inch. At this later figure, cracked left lugs on the bolt began to be encountered. A gun in which the bolt had the left lug cracked by one of these excessive high pressure overloads was then fired an endurance test of 5,000 rounds of service ammunition, using the cracked bolt, which showed no further deterioration.
Hi-Tech in St. Louis used to have all kinds of neat stuff, like .45 ACP and 5.56 blue tip. Sure wish I’d bought more when I had the chance.
I can tell you that blue tip .45 makes a rather spectacular shower of sparks.
Good to know. The question was SA, who built the rifle, said 150 factory loads will not harm the rifle.
If the gas-port pressure is too high, the op-rod/bolt assembly is essentially a miniature pile-driver pounding on the back of the receiver.
So you disagree with SA about factory 150gr loads?
The actual bullet weight is less important than the burn-rate of the powder.
It’s my understanding M2 Ball ammo is loaded with IMR4895 powder. IMR4064 was actually preferred ballistically, but its grain size/shape made it impractical for machine measuring/loading. My Garand seems to be a little more accurate using 4064, but I measure my powder charges by hand.
If factory ammo with 150-grain bullets has powder that burns at least as fast as IMR4895/4064, it’s suitable for use in a Garand with a standard non-venting gas-cylinder plug.
My suggestion would be to either use mil-surplus ammo or load your own.
Quoth CarmichaelPatriot: You can get Greek surplus from CMP for about 1/2 the price of commercial ammo.
Current prices are running right around 50 cents/round on the greek surplus and just at or over $1/round for Hornady (I assume new ammo). Oddly, I can’t find the spam cans I bought last time.
Thanks. I need to make time to mess with the adjustable plug.
FReegards
When you get into 180 grains or heavier- bear and moose loads, yeah, there's a risk of bending the op rod. Not so much from a single round, and yes, I've carried my M1 with a 180 Silvertip as the first round up in the chamber in bear country- but from the practice rounds needed to sight the rifle in for those loads. As little as two boxes will do it.
Personally, I'm more interested in going the other way: Remington's 125-grain low recoil load is a dandy, and cycles the actions of the three Garands I've tried 'em in just fine. There's lower recoil, of course, but also less flash at night, and lessened penetration for those concerned about what FMJ ball can do in urban areas. Along the same line, Remington's 55-grain saboted Accellerator functions just fine in my M1, if you've ever wanted to try a 4000 fps round out of an M1, out to 100 yards or so.
How does that do for groups? I tried them in my Rem bolt rifle years ago and they were only so-so at 100 yd targets.
The 125 load is an interesting idea.
Banned which? The Greek surplus 147-gr? CMP still has it in their catalog, same price as last year. I'm getting a couple more tins once I get this little lostjobtooknewjoboutofstatecan'tselloldhouse thing taken care of.
I'll never buy factory ammo again at today's prices. All my spare gun funds go into reloading components. You can still "roll your own" 147-gr .30-06 for about .50 a round.
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