Posted on 07/07/2011 11:28:16 AM PDT by Immerito
Yes, it was very kind of him.
I almost felt sorrier for him than myself.
He was visibly upset and quite angered by what he’d witnessed.
I don’t know if different LEO branches share investigation results but I sort of hope not, for his sake.
He seemed to be the sort who would be very disgusted that his “brother” got away with it, free and clear.
All the other townies at the scene [about 15 of them] witnessed it too but I’m sure “their version” was wildly different from my own witness affidavits.
That was beginning of my “I’m not in Kansas, anymore” reality check.
More baseless crap from a badge bunny.
From the cut of your jib it is clear you are cut from a really frilly piece of pink cloth.
Too many cops are shooting too many dogs and you BB's are making us normal people ill supporting their actions.
Oh, I don't need an article from the liars in the media to bolster my opinion. Unlike you I don't need others to back my words up.
Maybe someday, if you eat right and exercise you will have an opinion that matters too. (Doubtful though)
The officer clearly doesn't need his actions defended as he hasn't violated any D.C. laws.
All we have is hear-say, most of which exonerates him, if one bothers to read carefully.
What you've obviously done is dug up an article with incomplete information, and posted it in hopes of riling up the cop hater/ insane dog lover mouth breathers around here.
The violence in your story probably has Owl_Eagle’s motor going but since you are a woman the sexual aspect has probably left him cold.
Are food issues caused mostly by trauma or sorts like being starved when a puppy etc? Or, is it a breed or personality issue? I have known several dogs (owned by friends) over the years with food issues BUT they were rescues with horrible stories. One was found with ribs sticking out, internal parasites etc... so he was possessive of food. Another one wasn’t as thin but was taken from the owner because they were fed some days and not others. Both times, the dog got a bit better but couldn’t be fully trusted so they were moved to a special area of the kitchen to eat and no one entered the kitchen. (neither one growled at the owner while he was putting down the food... only if they got too close or the food looked like it was going to be taken away)
Older articles are also posted as well, typically without the age of the article provoking comment, unless the person focusing on the article’s age wishes to distract from the issue(s) raised in the article.
The age of this article did not bother you in posts #16, 17, 25, 71, 72, 74, 75, or 77.
It was not until post #123, after avoiding several questions on the story, that you appear to have first observed the article date, at which time, you attempted to make your late observation an issue.
You are welcome to provide the relevant D.C. laws that indicate that it is lawful for a police officer to forcibly remove a dog from its owner, trowing it into a stairwell, and then shooting it.
I’ll wait while you search here:
http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stusdc8_1801_13.htm#s1901
Oh, well.
Pardon the hell right outta my XX chromosomes.
:)
Older articles are also posted as well, typically without the age of the article provoking comment, unless the person focusing on the article’s age wishes to distract from the issue(s) raised in the article.
The age of this article did not bother you in posts #16, 17, 25, 71, 72, 74, 75, or 77.
It was not until post #123, after avoiding several questions on the story, that you appear to have first observed the article date, at which time, you attempted to make your late observation an issue.
You are welcome to provide the relevant D.C. laws that indicate that it is lawful for a police officer to forcibly remove a dog under control of and secured by its owner, throw it into a stairwell, and then shoot it.
I’ll wait while you search here:
http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stusdc8_1801_13.htm#s1901
Ha! :-)
It sounds like you have a wonderfully behaved doberman. How many dobermans have you owned?
>> A picture taken just before the cop threw the dog down a stairwell, pulled his gun and shot it
Cops should be trained on how to deal with man’s best friend.
Not a good combination there; tense cop, agitated dog, encircling crowd.
Bringing up the n00bie issue is often valid but not in this case.
Owl_Eagle is grasping at straws as he is winning just like like Charlie Sheen.
You dusted his ass pretty good too!
Yep,this is simply bad PR for the police force.
Those officers who follow Peelian Principles tend to not produce bad PR for the force.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2672663/posts
Known as the “Father of Modern Policing”, Sir Robert was the man responsible for the creation of what many believe to be the first modern professional police department — the Metropolitan Police Force in London.
Prior to Sir Roberts little experiment, the British in the 1800’s had a strong antipathy for the idea of a full-time police department — matter-of-fact, it was seen as a threat to liberty and a (and this is a direct quote from JP Smith): “...disturbance of all private happiness.”
Nonetheless, everyone — from the man in the street to the last politician — agreed that the old system of watchmen simply wasn’t working. Matter-of-fact, the perception was that crime wasn’t only rampant, but that it was sharply rising.
Enter Sir Robert.
In order to mollify those who believed that professional police were “a curse and a despotism”, and secure their aid in creating his professional police force, Sir Robert Peel developed what became known as The Peelian Principles; which are considered to be the basic foundation for all modern policing:
1) The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
2) The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon the public approval of police actions.
3) Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observation of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.
4) The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.
5) Police seek and preserve public favor not by catering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.
6) Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice, and warning is found to be insufficient.
7) Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
8) Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions, and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
9) The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.
My academy devoted two days to the study of Sir Robert and his Principles of Policing. I am of the firm opinion that these Principles should be Gospel for every Peace Officer.
There are times, though, when I am forced to wonder if some of my fellow Peace Officers have even heard of the Peelian Principles.
And I guaran-damn-tee you that a whole bunch of politicians and police administrators (but I repeat myself) have never heard of #9.
Anyone who doubts this should listen to the next District Attorney, County Commissioner, Representative or any other critter cite the rising number of arrests as proof that their pet anti-crime law is working.
*sigh*
LawDog
Good post. As I read through it, I was thinking “Peace Officer” only to find your reference to the same near the end.
Peace Officers are not Law Enforcement Officers, correct?
Some are caused by puppy and even adult trauma.
One of my Ibizans was the runt of the litter and the idiot breeder didn’t take her out of the litter pen and hand feed her so she lived on a few kibbles, the feces of the other puppies mixed in with pine shavings.
[yes, it IS horrid]
She is not possessive but she is greedy and even after 9 years of all the food she could ever want, she *still* can’t believe her current meal won’t be her last so she is coprophagous and *and* cleans out the bowls of the dogs who don’t finish all their food.
~That~ is trauma induced food issues, such as the rescues you mentioned.
I know of no breed predilection for food possessiveness.
Pack behavior is pack behavior, no matter the breed.
You *can* reprogram a traumatized dog.
One of my rescue Dobes survived for 3 months on garbage, mice and whatever else she could scavenge until the SPCA finally managed to catch her.
She was emaciated, wormy, had multiple skin infections, was terrified of everything, had “food issues”...and understandably so.
The first time she got -very- snippy with another rescue Dobe here, ALL her subsequent meals were fed to her by me, kibble by kibble, by hand.
She learned that patience earned great rewards.
She learned that impatience resulted in delay of eating the next wonderful, greatly desired piece of kibble.
Within a month, I could trust her with all my Dobes and Ibizans, who, at the time, were “free fed” from a large bowl in the living room.
Each dog, when they felt hungry, would go eat a bit and then the next dog took its turn and so on.
Never a hint of a squabble or resentment.
I no longer free-feed because my dogs all have individual dietary needs but they all have “their bowl” which -always- goes in the same spot, every meal.
When I’ve been hurried and inattentive and put the “wrong” bowl down for a dog, they’ll just sit there and look at it, puzzled, because they’ve learned that it’s *not* “their food” and therefore, off limits.
If I give one of them a treat and that dog doesn’t want it, for some reason, I just let it lay where they dropped it until another dog who *does* like it eats it.
No mad scrabbles or squabbles are tolerated.
*If* one dog acts too possessive of some tidbit, it gets taken away.
If it immediately settles down, it gets it back.
If not, I give it to another of the dogs, just to reinforce the point that *everything* they get is actually -mine-, to do with as I please.
That’s why it breaks my heart to see otherwise wonderful dogs with ‘food aggression’ put down.
Enough time and understanding can correct that behavior.
With Odin, being the Euro Dobe that he is, any form of food aggression could potentially endanger the kids that are very attracted to him, so, from the time he was a tiny pup, I would stick my hand into his bowl as he was eating until he learned that my hand in there meant that he should -stop- eating and wait until my hand was gone to resume.
I would also arbitrarily completely remove his food bowl until he accepted it with grace and patience, knowing that when he didn’t protest the removal, it *would* be returned to him.
Now, he can take the tiniest morsel from a toddler’s hand and not even leave a molecule of slobber on the waif.
He is ~extremely~ careful to make sure he cannot feel the kid’s fingers anywhere near his teeth before he closes them.
He can be happily chomping on some “high value” treat such as a marrow bone and I can just take it and he merely quietly awaits its return.
[sometimes he “bargains” for its return...a paw offered, an impromptu “sit” or “down”...usually, he gets it back because he earned it as “nothing in life is free”, in this pack]...:)
Hubby feds him tiny piece of cheese from his lips.
I’m not big on having dog spit on my lips so I abstain from that amazing little ‘parlor trick’....:D
“and posted it in hopes of riling up the cop hater/ insane dog lover mouth breathers around here. “
Hyperbole much?
OMG...I lost count a long time ago.
I was a one-woman Dobe rescue league from the 80’s into the early 90’s.
Dozens were taken in, rehabbed, retrained, made healthy and went on to new loving homes [chosen by utterly draconian standards] and some of them, I kept.
Often I’d have half a dozen running around at a time.
I’m gonna guess that I kept around 7 or 8, personally.
[that’s not counting Dobe pups I raised and trained for other people]
The last 20 years I only had 2 Dobes as I had then somehow wandered accidentally into Ibizan Hound rescue and had anywhere from 4 to 6 of those here.
Of them, I still have 3 remaining [the others have passed away] and one rescue Portuguese Podengo Medio.
[a breed, which I might add, shows up often in CA and north-eastern states shelters quite frequently and are the most *delightful* dogs. I highly recommend them]
My beloved Odin is a true Southern Gentleman....:)
You certainly know a lot about dogs and their behavior. I was shocked at Odin. My Mom had a rust colored Dobe named Odin. Sweet, lovable... except for bumble bees and honey bees. Gosh that dog hated those bugs. We would have to pull him out of azaleas every Spring. He heard a buzz and went in (headfirst). I think it had something to do with the fact that he got stung all over his snout by a ground nest of yellow jackets. After that, he hated buzzing. I am not familiar with Ibizans at all... sounds very exotic. I will remember those tidbit hand feeding techniques for future reference and any person we know that has a dog with food issues. To me, it is one bad behavior and I wouldn’t surrender a dog with it (unless I couldn’t control the kids or I truly thought they were in severe danger). There is no perfect dog.
From the time I could crawl, really, I had only dogs for company.
[no siblings, no nearby kids]
I was literally ‘raised by wolves’ [and horses] and I understand *them* better than I do most people....:)
My Wonder Dobe Tito also abhorred bees.
I have no idea why.
He would stand on the back porch near the Wisteria vine and every time he spied a wasp, he’d strike like a snake, neatly nipping it in half so fast it had no time to sting him.
Bumblebees and honey bees got a free pass.
*He* ~was~ a Perfect Dog.
:)
The longer I live, the more I understand animals and the LESS I understand people. Humans are becoming completely alien to me (many of the times). No reason for what some people do or act.. no way to wrap your brain around it at all.
I am wondering now if all Dobies hate buzzing bugs. Maybe its a “Dobie thing”. LOL!!
No thanks, I prefer NOT to have a Pit swing around and take off my arm. I’ll shoot.
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