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To: BroJoeK
We will have to agree to disagree. All the appeasement and perceived weakness you propose would only have made Japan more aggressive. When they were done with Russia, we were next on the list. What you proposed would not have avoided war, only changed when and how in my opinion. If the axis powers had won, we would have had to deal with NAZI socialism instead Communist socialism. Lots of ifs presented here that we will never know, history is what it is. I guess my point is that war and conflict are the norm through the history of man, we will not create utopia here on this earth because of the nature of man. In many ways I wish we had dealt earlier with the crap storm we are now in and confronted it on our terms, but now is the time.
27 posted on 07/26/2011 2:52:04 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: PeterPrinciple
PeterPrinciple: "What you proposed would not have avoided war, only changed when and how in my opinion.
If the axis powers had won, we would have had to deal with NAZI socialism instead Communist socialism."

Of course, "what-if" history is tons of fun, since nobody can prove you wrong. ;-)

There is no evidence that Japan ever had designs on the United States itself.
Yes, the Philippines were "in the way" of Japanese expansion towards the Dutch East Indies, but that is just the kind of thing the Japanese were willing to negotiate: in exchange for a non-aggression treaty between the US and Japan, the US stands aside while Japan takes over the Dutch oil-rich colonies, and Japan doesn't touch the Philippines.

So what happens later -- after Germany conquered all of Europe and Soviet Russia, after Japan conquered China and all of South Asia -- how well does the US get along with the victorious German and Japanese empires?
Or is there some eventual new war, when they attack America itself?

Well, I don't see Japan ever seriously invading the US mainland.
But Hitler's Germany is a different matter.
Every military victory only increased his appetite for more victories.

And Germany's military had contingency plans to invade the US going back before the First World War.
So there's no telling...

On the other hand, Hitler was in increasingly deteriorating health, unlikely to survive much longer, even without his suicide.
So Germany would have a new leader in, say, 1946 or 1947.
Would the new German leadership be eager to make peace with the new US President, Harry Truman?

Hard to say, but my point is, I think President Roosevelt did exactly the right things in preparing the US for war, and leading us into it.
In general, I don't see how he could have done a better job of it.

My complaints are along these lines:

Think about that: thanks to the diligent efforts of FDR, J Edgar Hoover and others, so far as we know, there were no, zero, German of Japanese spies in the program, but it was literally crawling with Communist spies, who kept Uncle Joe fully informed of every development.

33 posted on 07/26/2011 3:39:37 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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