Posted on 08/01/2011 7:01:31 AM PDT by Liberty1970
I do thank you very much for locating his words and pointing out to these detractors that he has indeed given two units to independent scientists to determine how and why this invention actually produces energy.
You need to remember that I made an offer to him ten years ago before he had all this notoriety.
expect crickets
Note that he says he is going to give the devices to them. He has not yet done so.
As I have said before, I hope it works. I trust you, B4. I just have not seen any proof yet.
You just told me that you were stealing the patent for E-cat, and your view that you can steal a patent and use it for personal use is wrong.
Now this is all hypothetical because you cannot get a patent for something that has not been reduced to practice, and cold fusion will never work, despite the dillusions of many here.
Sorry, I’m not that smart...what’s a “dillusion”?
Are you talking about algor, or Obama?
Typo. Real men never spell check. Should read delusion.
The article was written last April so I do imagine they have been in the University labs for a couple of months now. My suspicion is they are trying to determine why it functions as it does. Possibly it is breaking some old physics laws.
A few more names were added to the ping list.
This is pretty exciting either way it goes, like you have said. Rossi will get a movie made about his work - but as inventor or as scam artist?
statistically speaking it’s about damn time one of these energy inventions panned out.
Same with me as far as background.
You know how it goes for a small businessguy: if it sounds too good....
Of course that isn’t going to apply to something truly visionary or groundbreaking, and those things do happen.
Me, I’m not going to ride one of those deals up, cause I won’t get in. Just my nature. I don’t even buy lottery tickets. Slow and steady, or as close to steady as I can keep it.
Appreciate the ping and your thoughts.
“statistically speaking it’s about damn time one of these energy inventions panned out.”
Good point....sort of like the saying of the blind hog stumbling onto the acorn, eventually.
The thing that nags at me is, if his E-cat really works, why didn’t Rossi get the modern day Euro equivalent of the cement overcoat years ago??
We aren’t just talking billions of dollars at stake for the established industries, many wholely state owned, that provide the oil and gas, the power generation, distribution, regulation and the taxation of it all, we are talking trillions of dollars worldwide that will eventually be displaced.
Or will it? These same power providers will have the big bucks and the clout to make it all happen and still be able get in on the installation and maintenance of the new power systems. I also expect governments to step in w/ their rules, regs and taxes to “insure a smooth transition” blah blah blah - and more importantly for them, assure their continued flow of energy tax revenue.
Hi folks ... first post here.
(I’m the author of the “real or fake” analysis of the eCat at http://lenr.qumbu.com — also see http://evworld.com/blogs/index.cfm?authorid=12&blogid=972&archive=1, and participate on the “vortex” mailing list)
With respect to the Defkalion “offer” — the full letter is at http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/docs/Defkalion-Offering-July2011.pdf
It is a fixed 40.5M Euros ($57M) — PER FACTORY (300,000 units/year), plus royalties. I expect that for smaller countries they’ll shift to a regional basis.
It’s worth noting that the offer includes the lines:
— Meeting in our factory during October to inspect and verify kW units
— Meeting in our factory during December to inspect and verify MW units
What they are doing is either a multi-billion-dollar scam OR exactly how a new distribution system SHOULD be set up.
Hi folks ... first post here.
(I’m the author of the “real or fake” analysis of the eCat at http://lenr.qumbu.com
***That was a fantastic piece of work. Hope to see you around these threads. I keep a cold fusion ping list if you’re interested in having something brought to your attention.
By the way, your analysis was very even handed. What I have noticed is that most of the venom comes from the anti-CF side. Does that correlate with what you’re seeing?
Also, have there been any updates since you posted the analysis? Has anyone actually contributed to knocking off a segment or 2?
Thanks.
On the technical front, most of the discussion has centered around the question of whether the steam was “wet” or “dry” — see Steve Krivit’s http://blog.newenergytimes.com/ for a very skeptical view. But it doesn’t amount to a DIS-proof.
But I put enough disclaimers in my paper not to have to rewrite it just yet. It remains “not proven”. I should add a clarifying comment, though.
> What I have noticed is that most of the venom comes from the anti-CF side. Does that correlate with what you’re seeing?
Yes, but the PRO’s just have to be more cautious. I ran a couple of polls (primarily aimed at members of the vortex mailing list), and both extremes have moderated somewhat over the past month.
Business-wise, though, things are changing rapidly: Rossi announced he has cancelled his agreement with Defkalion. Well-reported at:
http://pesn.com/working/includes/footers/Rossi-Defkalion_controversy.htm
It seems to me that Defkalion ran out of money, so they couldn’t meet their promises to Rossi, who is now switching his attention to the US. (He says he will instll the 1MW plant in October, in the US)
There are conflicting technical statements from Rossi and Defkalion, but they, too, don’t amount to DIS-proof.
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