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To: OldNewYork
That's not really true, generally. Though it's a good story. I don't know about the Cruise part. Many perished in the wreckage, and most of the survivors were killed by the Irish, as being part of the British Empire at the time they were also at war with Spain. In many cases, the men were massacred shortly after landfall, and the noblemen were ransomed.

Yes, and no to the Irish killing off the survivors of the wrecked armada vessel who struggled ashore to Ireland. It would depend on where, as Ireland itself was being contested, and had been for a time previous to 1588. The Tudors were attempting to re-establish English control over Ireland, but that process was not completed until the battle of Kinsale, in 1602. What is known is that those Irish who did attempt to aid the survivors ran the risk of death themselves, and there were no few who actually paid that price...

the infowarrior

16 posted on 08/06/2011 12:42:52 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: infowarrior

Thanks, yes, that was clarified a bit above. And I basically agree with what you’re saying about Kinsale in the winter of 1601/1602; it was the defeat of the last of the independent, native Gaelic nobility.

The majority of the survivors of the Spanish Armada - many perished on the rocks or never made it to shore - were killed, the sailors and men. The majority of the nobility aboard, and there were many, were ransomed, sometimes sent to London to be held until the ransom was delivered. As far as who did the killing, I don’t have case by case details, if they exist, but it wouldn’t just have been purely the English. It would also have been those Irish who believed themselves to be part of the British Empire and that it deserved their loyalty, along with other British serving in the military there, like Welsh or Scots.


17 posted on 08/06/2011 1:09:44 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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