Can anyone else enlighten me???
Mod, I know I did something wrong here in the posting because it asked for a source url...I put it under “chat” because I thought it was the propper place. Is that not correct?
McCain finely supported “building the damn fence” Perry did not.
McCain has supported amnesty for illegals; Perry hasn’t.
You had no source url.
The source url option is used when you are posting on a topic that was found outside of the forums.
For instance, if you were posting on a topic or story from somewhere like ‘The Blaze’ you would have put a link to the story in the source url box ..
Something like .. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/it-begins-bachmann-perry-at-same-iowa-event/.
Your source url leads back to the Freerepublics forums page. 8)
McClain is irrelevant. What is Obama's border policy?
Governor Perry pushed for and got passed requirements for citizenship or in the country legally for Texas driver’s licenses. And he signed ID requirements for voting.
Perry has better hair when he gives speeches on immigration.
Perry doesn’t see the need for a fence.
McCain wanted to build a fence with a gate. And leave the gate wide open.
“Perry’s stance against Texas adopting an Arizona-style immigration law was initially troubling to many conservatives even though his point was that it would be better to force the federal government to enforce the border since that is one of their primary responsibilities.
A true statement, but one easier said than done.
He did add a bill prohibiting Sanctuary Cities as an emergency item in the regular session and added it to the call during the special session, but there wasnÂ’t enough resolve in either the legislature or the Governor to overcome the business lobby that was adamantly against the bill. It died in the last special session.
It was disappointing to conservatives that the Governor didn’t call another special session to continue the fight, but he maintains that It would have been a waste of taxpayer money to call another special session on an issue that lawmakers would not take action to pass – twice.
The governor says that he will continue to support the prohibition of sanctuary cities in the future.
Some have said that when Perry said that the Arizona law “wasn’t the right direction for Texas,” he was taking a position against strict enforcement of immigration laws.
Not so – what he actually said was, “I fully recognize and support a state’s right and obligation to protect its citizens, but I have concerns with portions of the law passed in Arizona and believe it would not be the right direction for Texas.”
His concern was related to the portion of the Arizona law that required peace officers to inquire about citizenship status. Perry believes that the best solution is to allow officers the discretion to ask if they deem it necessary to carry out their duty.
“Texas has a rich history with Mexico, our largest trading partner, and we share more than 1,200 miles of border, more than any other state,” Perry said.
“As the debate on immigration reform intensifies, the focus must remain on border security and the federal government’s failure to adequately protect our borders. Securing our border is a federal responsibility, but it is a Texas problem, and it must be addressed before comprehensive immigration reform is discussed.
” Texas has allocated more than $400 million in state funding to secure the border since 2005. In the last legislative session alone, $152 million was earmarked for border security.
Perry has also adopted the National GovernorÂ’s Policy, part of which states:
â– Federal immigration policies should ensure that new immigrants do not become a public charge to federal, state, or local governments.
â– The federal government must provide adequate information to and consult with states on issues concerning immigration decisions that affect the states.
â– States should not have to incur significant costs in implementing federal laws regarding immigration status as a condition of benefits.
In the final analysis, Governor Perry says that the nation cannot have effective immigration policy until the border is secure. Today, the border is not secure and this is where we need to focus our resources.”
The above taken from an article “Seventeen (17_ things that critics are saying about Rick Perry.” It is item number 15.
You may find the article here: http://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/rick-perrys-negatives/
As a native Texan, I have some reservations about Perry, but I would clearly support him over four more years of “President Downgrade.”
Other than Perry has “talked” a good game, not a damned thing as far as I can see.
McCain talked a lot, never did anything....
Perry thought a fence would not work for Texas, he placed TDPS Troopers & other Law Enforcement on the border after Obama and the Government failed to protect Texas. You cam put McCain in the Government bunch that failed.
Beware of perry, keep out the bushes...marble mouth 2001
Hey DrewsMum,
Don’t worry ya done good.
55 posts to your question up til now.
Good question as it stirred the pot of discussion.
Thanks.
I understand Rick Perry’s economic stands and his small government stands much more than immigration (and also free trade for that matter). However, I’ve been trying to learn a little more about this too so I can understand what may come up about this issue.
Here are a couple of things I found of interest.
1. Rick Perry has aligned himself with the Border Sheriff’s Coalition, supporting their recommendations for how to patrol the border and keep it safe from illegal entrances into the country. Believing boots on the ground, eyes open wide, and local law enforcement working in cooperation with federal border control agents, he believes in beefing up the efforts of the local and state’s law enforcement agencies tasked with the job of protecting the borders alongside federal agents, not by themselves but ALONGSIDE AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH federal agents.
He does not believe border patrol is the ultimate responsibility of the local or state law enforcement officers. He believes border patrol is a federal responsibility but believes state and local officers should be well equipped to do their own specific law enforcement jobs and be funded enough to work well with and cooperate effectively with federal agents and border patrol on the nation’s borders.
Here is a great URL that has info about his efforts to fight illegal immigration through funding and boosting local and state law enforcement agencies that work with federal border agents. The page also has a lot of other info and links plus a short little advertisement video of the Border Sheriff’s Coalition.
http://www.governorperry.com/blog/new-tv-ad-border/
While Rick Perry is a small government man, he believes the federal government should be protecting our country’s borders by following our federal immigration policies that are in place, allowing local and state law enforcement agencies to focus on local and state crime and on coordinating their local efforts with federal border patrol as needed.
How many times have we heard that Arizona’s new laws would never have needed to have been written had this administration (Eric Holder, etc.) have honored the laws already in place for our border’s protection? Arizona themselves basically said it was the SAME laws, that is why they said there was nothing wrong with the laws they wrote. Their new laws were already federal laws for border protection granted by the federal government, only they were taking charge of the oversight since this administration was not doing it.
Rick Perry believes the country’s borders should be protected by our country’s border control laws with local and state law enforcement assisting them on the local level.
2. While Rick Perry says he believes boots on the ground are better than an un-attended fence, he believes boots on the ground can be augmented by new technology that can help federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies charged with protecting the borders.
This youtube video reflects one such advanced protection technique: the use of surveillance planes, predator jets, drones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEHDDktDn8o
Here is another example of something Texas has funded to provide more real-person involvement in protecting our borders from illegal immigration across the borders:
The above link is a public-private collaboration which provides live surveillance camera footage of border areas known to border agents to be illegal traffic areas. Citizens from all over the country can help give eyes to these areas through the live webcams and provide a warning when needed to agents in the area responsible for border protection in that area.
Here is an article about one such citizen who has been involved with this program.
http://dfwimmigrationlaw.clarislaw.com/border-enforcement/mom-patrols-us-border-from-her-den.php
Rick Perry does admit some fencing could be beneficial - strategic fencing - but he believes just putting a tall fence along the entire thousands of miles (Texas along has 1,200 miles of border) is not the only, or even best, way to keep illegal immigrants from entering illegally.
You can see all his views come together in this article (next url). It reflects how Governor Perry believes Homeland Security should be doing their job on border patrol so the border states can do their own local law enforcement (instead of doing Homeland Security’s job) and be available to work with federal agents as needed and in a cooperative effort.
http://blog.chron.com/texaspolitics/2010/07/gov-perry-secure-the-border-mr-president/
Governor Perry’s official site shows this on border protection: http://governor.state.tx.us/initiatives/border/
Many believe taking the above approach to border protection is not the best way to handle illegal immigration, many believing a tall wall built by the various states along their borders is a better way to handle it.
3.) Rick Perry along with state conservatives passed the voter ID legislation which required any Texas voter to show identification so as to prevent fraud and abuse in voting such as double voting, supposed voting by people who have passed away, and preventing non-American-citizens from voting.
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/perry-signs-voter-id-bill-to-c.html
4. While the above 3 points do not necessarily show negatively towards Governor Perry’s desire for border security and at most describe a means of protection different than what some want, his Texas Dream Act is more difficult to understand, at least for me at this time.
Governor Perry has stated that if a child has been going to a Texas public school, has graduated (or will soon graduate) from a Texas public school, and is currently working towards U.S. Citizenship as their own individual person, they should be granted the opportunity to stay in the Texas educational system on the higher level (Texas colleges and universities) as an instate student (with instate tuition). This has been called the Texas Dream Act, providing a means to qualify for in state tuition to these students who are Americanized already and old enough to finally go through the legal citizenship process themselves but whose parents have not gone through the official citizenship process themselves.
From: http://www.unionleader.com/article/20110724/NEWS0605/707249985
It says: In 2001, Perry signed into law the first state “DREAM Act,” which allows children of illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition at state universities as long as they graduated from a Texas high school and are working toward attaining citizenship.
Although criticized for it by some conservatives and some elements of the Tea Party, Perry stands by it, while opposing such a law on the federal level.
(End of Excerpt)
“opposing such a law on the federal level”... above...
That is not to say Governor Perry would be against an Americanized young adult of a non-citizen resident applying for American citizenship or from going through the process of becoming an American citizen in another state in the country. Instead, as I understand it, that is to mean Governor Perry’s Dream Act (instate tuition for children of illegal immigrants who have gone through Texas schools and are in the process of American citizenship but not completed fully yet) is a Texas state policy for Texas colleges and universities only, not granting instate tuition to other states’ educational institutions. That makes sense since Governor Perry believes in giving the local government oversight over their own education instead of placing educational policies for a local entity at the federal level. If OTHER states wanted to set up such instate tuition rates for their own young adults who are not yet fully through their citizenship process, that would be each state’s decision to do that with their own states’ colleges and universities.
Wow, that last one is really a difficult one to get through!
As I said, I’m still trying to figure out Rick Perry’s unique take on all the various immigration issues... they seem to be very complex.
However, at least it looks like we both got a start on understanding him with these resources, if only just a little bit!
Sorry I can’t compare to John McCain since I don’t know John McCain’s views, but hopefully this helps a little with where Rick Perry stands at least!