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SAT Reading Scores Fall to Lowest Level on Record
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Posted on 09/14/2011 12:04:13 PM PDT by Mind Freed

Scores on the critical reading portion of the SAT college entrance exam fell three points to their lowest level on record last year, and combined reading and math scores reached their lowest point since 1995.

The College Board, which released the scores Wednesday, said the results reflect the record number of students from the high school class of 2011 who took the exam and the growing diversity of the test-taking pool -- particularly Hispanics. As more students aim for college and take the exam, it tends to drag down average scores.

Still, while the three-point decline to 497 may look small in the context of an 800-point test, it was only the second time in the last two decades reading scores have fallen as much in a single year. And reading scores are now notably lower than scores as recently as 2005, when the average was 508.

Average math scores for the class of 2011 fell one point to 514 and scores on the critical reading section fell two points to 489.

Other recent tests of reading skills, such as the National Assessment of Education Progress, have shown reading skills of high-school students holding fairly steady. And the pool of students who take the SAT is tilted toward college-goers and not necessarily representative of all high school students.

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With the age of texting and all this "LOL", "LMAO" and all the other STUPID short hand language that has become the standard how is it surprising that the kids are completely dumbed down!
1 posted on 09/14/2011 12:04:18 PM PDT by Mind Freed
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To: Mind Freed

“This is what happens when Republicans cut education”


2 posted on 09/14/2011 12:05:32 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Mind Freed

If we gave a $1T to the teachers unions, could we turn this around???


3 posted on 09/14/2011 12:06:06 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Mind Freed

“Me fail English? That’s unpossible!”


4 posted on 09/14/2011 12:07:27 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: Mind Freed

We need to consult the professionals at the schools of education and see why this is so. Then we must adopt the latest teaching methods from these experts to remedy this situation.


5 posted on 09/14/2011 12:09:21 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Mind Freed

Time to dumb down the test. Again.


6 posted on 09/14/2011 12:09:26 PM PDT by Snake65
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To: Mind Freed

Glad to see how NCLB has been working out.


7 posted on 09/14/2011 12:10:23 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Mind Freed
Since when is it called the "critical reading" portion?

When I took the SATs back in the mid-80s it was math and verbal.

8 posted on 09/14/2011 12:11:54 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Mind Freed

“Scores on the critical reading portion of the SAT college entrance exam fell three points to their lowest level on record last year, and combined reading and math scores reached their lowest point since 1995”

1995 was when they performed “recentering”, effectively adding 100 points to test scores to hide the decline.


9 posted on 09/14/2011 12:12:56 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: Mind Freed
Just list all the differences in America as compared to the class of 62'.
10 posted on 09/14/2011 12:13:44 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Mind Freed
With the age of texting and all this "LOL", "LMAO" and all the other STUPID short hand language that has become the standard how is it surprising that the kids are completely dumbed down!

Just look at the spelling, grammar, and punctuation on this forum for a good example.

People use apostrophe's a's if there's a reward for them.

11 posted on 09/14/2011 12:14:00 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Mind Freed

Once, maybe twice, since I took this test back in the 70s, the scores have been adjusted to keep the average at around the same number, even though students were doing worse. I wonder if this drop in average score means that the SAT scores are going to be adjusted downward again so as to keep the average the same.

No, there is no problem in American education. Why would anyone think otherwise? /s


12 posted on 09/14/2011 12:16:33 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: wagglebee

Me, too.

A few years back, they eliminated the analogy section because expecting students to know what a lot of words mean was racist or something. I like to get old study guides at the used book store for my kids to use just for vocabulary development. Having to explain the relationships between words - “Write” is a way of making a mark on “paper.” “Paint” is a way of making a mark on “canvas.” - is a great mental exercise.


13 posted on 09/14/2011 12:18:10 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I welcome our new reptilian overlords. They are so quiet!)
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To: Mind Freed

YUP-not to mention the ‘cheating’ educators who cover for the fact that the system is broke and they are being overpaid for poor work.

Does an election EVER go by without teachers and administrators in the school system whining about how much better kids could learn if the school could just get their hands on MORE of your money? How many years now is it that taxpayers have been slammed for school support ... and kids keep coming out of school dumb and dumber!!!????


14 posted on 09/14/2011 12:19:30 PM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change. " Robert Anthony)
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I didn't know they got rid of the analogies. It sounds like they've "dumbed down" the test to keep the scores up and that now even doing that isn't enough.
15 posted on 09/14/2011 12:22:17 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Mind Freed

Well, they at least know what lesbians and fisting are.


16 posted on 09/14/2011 12:22:42 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
Just look at the spelling, grammar, and punctuation on this forum for a good example.

Ain't nothin' wrong with my spellin'. My grammar's doing fine at 89. And I ain't had punctuation problems since I was old enough to tell time and wear a watch...

17 posted on 09/14/2011 12:22:59 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: WayneS

I got’s grate self esteam about my Egnlish!


18 posted on 09/14/2011 12:25:18 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Gore Lauds Romney on Climate Position; 0bamaCare was based on RomneyCare.)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
"People use apostrophe's a's if there's a reward for them."

There's' a reward's for apos'trophy's'? Doe's I'ze's Win's?

19 posted on 09/14/2011 12:29:14 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Gore Lauds Romney on Climate Position; 0bamaCare was based on RomneyCare.)
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To: Mind Freed
IN 1996 scores were recentered. To compare scores now and those prior to 1996 subtract 80 points from todays verbal score and 20 points from todays math scores.

And then wince real hard and give a big screw you to public school unions.

20 posted on 09/14/2011 12:30:39 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: Tax-chick

Analogies, eh?

How about:

Barack Obama is to America, as _______ is to victim.

a) Mugger
b) Rapist
c) Assailant
d) all of the above


21 posted on 09/14/2011 12:33:21 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: wagglebee

They made the test easier, and they added a hundred or more points to every score. That’s why there are so many more “perfect” scores these days than there were in the 80s; it was incredibly rare then to achieve a 1600, almost unknown. Now scores that would have been in the mid-1400s are “perfect.”

At the high end of SAT performers, it probably doesn’t make much difference in terms of their overall college success, but the changes to testing and scoring serve to disguise how much the content level of secondary schooling has been diminished.


22 posted on 09/14/2011 12:37:04 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I welcome our new reptilian overlords. They are so quiet!)
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To: WayneS

Good one!


23 posted on 09/14/2011 12:37:44 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I welcome our new reptilian overlords. They are so quiet!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“If we gave a $1T to the teachers unions, could we turn this around???”

Yes! That’s the solution! But shouldn’t it be $2 trillion just to be on the safe side? ;-)


24 posted on 09/14/2011 12:45:40 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: WayneS

You should work for the College Board.


25 posted on 09/14/2011 12:47:27 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Tax-chick
I had a friend who got an 800 verbal and 780 math in 1984, I think there were less than a dozen 1600s nationwide that year.

I'm still confused how knowing what words mean is racist. Does it have something to do with the analogies not indicating that "friction from boxer shorts" would also be an answer if the correct answer is belt?

26 posted on 09/14/2011 12:49:53 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Mind Freed

Children now days score very high marks on ,, 1) global warming , 2) unions are for your protection , 3) how to use a condom , 4) that homosexuality is an acceptable alternative , 5) and that government can fix all your problems .


27 posted on 09/14/2011 12:50:53 PM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: Mind Freed
Liberals will tell us it is NOT the teachers and certainly is NOT the teachers unions, so what is it?

If the teachers and unions are not part of the equation and we are still throwing billions at the system then what remains?

Parents? Well, maybe in some cases, yes.

Diversity? Ding, ding, ding we have a winner. Thanks to the woman killer Ted Kennedy and his hatred of any more white Europeans entering this country we have been giving preference to 3rd world types who in many cases are not even familiar with indoor plumbing and we expect test scores to stay the same or rise?

Come on we cannot dilute the education system with so many people from stunted cultures and not expect a falloff in test scores. All people are created equal, and should have equal rights but don't expect thinking people to buy into the lie that all cultures are equal.

28 posted on 09/14/2011 12:51:03 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: Tax-chick

Thomas Sowell has pointed out that the number of high scorers (700 and above and 750 and above) dropped in absolute terms in the 90s. That was probably one motivation for the recentering. They took out the analogies because with the analogies the verbal test was substantially an IQ test, and the President of UC Berkeley was not only outraged that a test might show that there are IQ differences, he threatened to discontinue use of the SAT. That would have led to a major revenue loss for the SAT folks (partly because other leftist college presidents would have followed suit), so they changed the test. There is a lot that is being concealed.

Still, we send our children to government schools by the 10s of millions because, drum roll please: Our schools are different!


29 posted on 09/14/2011 12:53:57 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Mind Freed
Analogize the teaching profession to a business' management. This business' product does not pass quality control. What then should the shareholders [taxpayers] of this business do with the management? I lean towards FIRE THEIR ASSES.

Next, let us look at the people who trained the managers [University & College Education Departments], should they not be held to metrics that their students failures should reflect back to them? If not, why not?

What we are seeing is a pervasive failure of an entire VITAL SECTOR of our civilization. Children are not being taught and that spells FAIL for the succeeding generations. Yet we have entrenched political machinery, unions and compliant parents who are willing to have government destroy our children on the alters of FAIRNESS & FEELINGS!

30 posted on 09/14/2011 12:57:43 PM PDT by SES1066 (1776 to 2011, 235 years and counting in the GRAND EXPERIMENT!)
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To: Mind Freed

ping


31 posted on 09/14/2011 12:59:36 PM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: Mind Freed

Changing demographics due to immigration, legal and illegal. By 2019, half of the children 18 and under will be minorities as defined by the USG. At least this article recognizes the cause. It makes one wonder how this country will remain competitive in the global economy. Note the jump in the percentage of students with other than English as their first language. Yet, we are told that illegal immigration is declining. And I wonder how many students would be able to take advantage of the Dream Act.


32 posted on 09/14/2011 1:02:06 PM PDT by kabar
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
People use apostrophe's a's if there's a reward for them.

I'll have to start posting more quotes within quotes.

-PJ

33 posted on 09/14/2011 1:02:56 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: Tax-chick
From the article:

The College Board, which released the scores Wednesday, said the results reflect the record number of students from the high school class of 2011 who took the exam and the growing diversity of the test-taking pool -- particularly Hispanics. As more students aim for college and take the exam, it tends to drag down average scores.

Roughly 27 percent of the 1.65 million test-takers last year had a first language other than English, up from 19 percent just a decade ago.

When you have more than a quarter of the students taking the test with other than English as their first language, does anyone think that reading scores would be unaffected. And note that in just a decade the percentage has gone from 19% to 27%.

34 posted on 09/14/2011 1:09:00 PM PDT by kabar
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To: achilles2000; wagglebee

Fascinating. I didn’t remember the details about the elimination of analogies, only that it had to do with racism.

My children (8, so far, of “school age”) have one year of public schooling completed, and that was Anoreth’s year of community college while she waited to turn 18 and join the Coast Guard.

My Tom’s debate coach had planned to have his children attend a public high school - the best in our city - but after a couple of years of judging debate, he concluded that the academic level of the top public school students in the Carolinas was below what he could achieve with homeschooling, and that the values and worldview being taught were even worse than he had imagined they might face.


35 posted on 09/14/2011 1:11:34 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I welcome our new reptilian overlords. They are so quiet!)
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To: Mind Freed
That test should not be based on reading. The material should be played on an i-phone, and then have the "student" answer verbal questions from a smart 6-year-old from Bolivia, using nothing but the present tense.

Gang-sign interpreters should be on hand from a remote monitoring location. The same test in Spanish must be given to all students. That should even things up a bit.

36 posted on 09/14/2011 1:13:31 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Team Obama will not shrink from violence to remain in power. Be ready.)
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To: kabar

They can demonstrate a statistical correlation, but that doesn’t prove causation. Many students from Spanish-speaking households have been in US public schools since kindergarten. If they’re not competent in English, what have the schools been doing all that time?

I went to high school in the 80s with students from China and India who had been in the US a much shorter time, and they developed English competency to a high level, starting from native languages much more different from English than Spanish is. I was competing in spelling and English competitions with students from India and Korea, just like so many of the contest winners today.

They’d have a much better chance of making the case that the culture of most Latin American immigrants - like the culture of most American black people - is less conducive to intellectual achievements than some other cultures ... but that would open a can of worms that liberal don’t want opened.


37 posted on 09/14/2011 1:18:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I welcome our new reptilian overlords. They are so quiet!)
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To: Tax-chick
I don't doubt that there are some very good public schools out there, but they are few and far between.
38 posted on 09/14/2011 1:19:25 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Mind Freed

There is no excuse for this. My over the top dyslexic son (three types of dyslexia) got a 750 in the reading and a 790 on the math this year (April or May test ... I can’t remember). He also got a 760 in writing. Their standards are way too low.


39 posted on 09/14/2011 1:20:55 PM PDT by lkco
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To: wagglebee

I’d hesitate to generalize like that. I think there are schools where the most motivated students can get a good primary/secondary education, without excessive risk of injury, if they get lucky ... but that’s not a judgment about the school as a whole. I got an education at public school that produced a 1530 SAT and a National Merit Scholarship and national English awards ... but I also got an “education” that made me vow no child of mine would ever attend a public school while I live, and I don’t say that lightly.

I’ve told my older children that if they can persuade their father and me that there would be some immense academic or artistic advantage to their attending school - to which the child would commit 100% - then we will allocate the money for the very nice Southern Baptist school not far from home ... but they will not go to our county schools.

Mr. Walker’s family moved to a new house in order to be in the area for a particular high school, but by the time their oldest child reached 8th grade, the school had cut the top academic programs because of the district’s focus on attempting to raise the achievement levels of the lowest-performing students. No doubt the district would agree (if a few top administrators were spiffled) that parents of intelligent and motivated students can just do a better job themselves. (They still don’t regret the move, because it put them in walking distance of their church ;-).


40 posted on 09/14/2011 1:30:01 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I welcome our new reptilian overlords. They are so quiet!)
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To: Tax-chick
the school had cut the top academic programs

This happened in the high schools in the town I live in. One day I received a phone call from a woman who I knew was a avid supporter of the local public schools. She wanted to know about the Catholic HS where I had sent my two daughters. Well, she explained that the "honors" classes had been taken out of the local high schools and she was looking for somewhere that had "honors" programs. She had two, very intelligent, daughters (one had been put ahead a year) and they needed a challenge. My eldest was the same.

Well, the Catholic HS had "honors" programs and college credit programs, etc. So, both of these girls ended up at a Catholic HS. This was a woman who volunteered weekly at the local elementary schools, and I believe continued to do so even after she took her girls out of the public schools.

I think part of this whole problem began with the removal of teaching reading with the use of phonics. Yes, refusing to teach a phonetic language using phonics has really worked out well, hasn't it?

41 posted on 09/14/2011 1:52:10 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Tax-chick
I can tell you from experience here in Fairfax County, VA one of the five richest counties in America, that the influx of foreign students does have an impact, both in terms of test scores and costs. There are 36,500 LEP students out of a total student population of 175,000. 22,000 are enrolled in ESOL courses, which cost an additional $3,600 per student on top of about $13,000 per student cost. One out every four students receive free or subsidized meals.

In Alexandria, VA, 34% of the students are in ESOL courses and 54% qualify for free or subsidized meals. Having this large percentage of ESOL students affects other students as well in terms of the quality of learning and the allocation of resources.

They can demonstrate a statistical correlation, but that doesn’t prove causation. Many students from Spanish-speaking households have been in US public schools since kindergarten. If they’re not competent in English, what have the schools been doing all that time?

It has been well-documented that Spanish speaking immigrants tend to keep their language and assimilate to a lesser degree. We have made that easier thru accommodating them in many, many ways. Professor Huntington of Harvard, wrote a great article, The Hispanic Challenge, which describes these assimilation problems and why they are unprecedented in our history. By 2050, one in three residents of this country will be Hispanic.

The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 80 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born.

went to high school in the 80s with students from China and India who had been in the US a much shorter time, and they developed English competency to a high level, starting from native languages much more different from English than Spanish is. I was competing in spelling and English competitions with students from India and Korea, just like so many of the contest winners today.

I grew up in an immigrant neighborhood in the 1940s and 1950s. There was no ESOL and parents wanted their children to learn English and discouraged retaining their native language. Assimilation was easier and faster.

They’d have a much better chance of making the case that the culture of most Latin American immigrants - like the culture of most American black people - is less conducive to intellectual achievements than some other cultures ... but that would open a can of worms that liberal don’t want opened.

There is certainly a case to be made in that instance. Also blacks have a 71% out of wedlock birth rate and Hispanics 50% School drop out rates are around 50% for both groups. This is the social pathology for failure in this society.

The real problem for us as a nation is that in just 8 years, half of the children 18 and under will be minorities. They are our future. Asians are doing as well as or better than non-Hispanic whites, but Hispanics and blacks are significantly behind in educational performance. This hurts us in the global economy and creates social problems by creating what could be considered a permanent underclass who will be more dependent upon government and angry about wealth disparaties in much the same way as it is in the Third World.

My point is that the rapidly changing demographics of this country fueled by immigration, legal and illegal, affect school test performance scores and school costs. In Fairfax County, the school budget is $2.2 billion annually. About $377 million can be attributed to the costs of students whose first language is other than English.

42 posted on 09/14/2011 1:56:49 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

One of the main reasons ESL students [and their parents] love ESL classes and flock to them, is their hatred of the Blacks. The ESL classes a private little enclaves that keep them protected from mainstreaming with the other populations.


43 posted on 09/14/2011 2:00:51 PM PDT by Daffynition (Obama's job plan is that it's all designed as a desperate effort to save just one job: his own)
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To: Daffynition

That sounds downright daffy.


44 posted on 09/14/2011 2:04:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: LibertarianLiz
Yes, refusing to teach a phonetic language using phonics has really worked out well, hasn't it?

Indeed. ;-).

This puts schools in the position where a significant proportion of high school students cannot read with any facility, and at that point, it's far too late to fix it. So hugh amounts of money are thrown at the least competent, and curriculums are revamped to pretend these students are learning what was once standard secondary knowledge. Students with committed parents are going to get their real education at home or in private school.

The greatest loss is to intelligent students from less-advantaged backgrounds, who will never get the kind of education that made Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell or Richard Feynmann - kids from the tenements - great public intellectuals, because public education that rewards ability and effort is largely gone.

45 posted on 09/14/2011 2:07:57 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I welcome our new reptilian overlords. They are so quiet!)
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To: kabar

And everyone is being too PC to admit that illegal immigration especially is ruining our education system. I say especially the illegals because they are the least likely to want to assimilate.

When I went to school there were no programs for ESL/LEP, etc. students and they had to sink or swim. Most swam, fast. I have noticed the more money we spend on them and the more we try to help them the worse it gets.

From personal experience those that truly want to succeed will and those that don’t really want it will fail. In my daughter’s graduating class there was a girl that graduated with honors that got a standing ovation. Her family legally immigrated here when she was in mid-school and she did not speak/read/write English. She and her parents refused the acronym classes- she wanted to be immersed. From mid-school to graduating from high school she learned to speak/read/write well enough to graduate with honors and earn a scholarship to a University.


46 posted on 09/14/2011 2:08:46 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: kabar
I agree with you to some extent, but you're mixing poverty with language with culture in a way that ... probably is perfectly realistic, but flips me out because I'm a compulsive categorizer. (I like to blame Anoreth for Batty Pat, because she educated him from 3 to 6, but it might have been genetic all along ...)

"Failure to assimilate," whether linguistically or otherwise, is purely cultural, a choice that people are making. It has nothing to do with being from a foreign-language household per se. As you've pointed out, the school system accommodates this failure in many ways. That's an active choice of management at the top levels to eschew inculcation of knowledge and skills, simply put, for other goals, which we might say is the basic problem with education in this country overall.

The real problem for us as a nation is that in just 8 years, half of the children 18 and under will be minorities. They are our future.

I agree, although I would hesitate to describe this as a "problem": it's more like "reality." The decision of native-born Americans not to reproduce, and the decision of their elected officials to admit others and to support the non-working, has left us with this reality.

47 posted on 09/14/2011 2:34:11 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I welcome our new reptilian overlords. They are so quiet!)
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To: Tammy8
The sheer numbers of immigrants, legal and illegal, are overwhelming our schools, hospitals, and other institutions and programs. Multiculturalism and diversity encourage Balkanization rather than assimilation. We are being colonized.

Milton Friedman said, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.” We have both.

48 posted on 09/14/2011 2:35:16 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Tax-chick

Well stated. Thank you.


49 posted on 09/14/2011 2:57:48 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: kabar

However it’s true...kids have learned to do poorly on their tests, even though the law, only allows them to stay in ESL for 2 years.


50 posted on 09/14/2011 3:04:49 PM PDT by Daffynition (Obama's job plan is that it's all designed as a desperate effort to save just one job: his own)
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