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Is Major League Baseball too Hispanic?
ESPN ^ | 10-4-2011 | Tim Keown

Posted on 10/04/2011 4:30:57 PM PDT by Darren McCarty

A question occurred Monday around the time Juan Cruz was pitching to Nelson Cruz, which was a half-inning after Alexi Ogando got the Rangers out of a seventh-inning jam and one inning before Neftali Feliz came in to close out the Rays. The question was this: Do young American baseball players understand what they're up against?

Every year, hundreds of American college and high school players sign contracts and head out to go to work in the minor leagues. They show up and find the world doesn't look quite the same. Amateur baseball in this country -- especially college baseball -- could be mistaken for a country-club sport. There are shockingly few minorities and not even much in the way of socio-economic diversity. It's an upper-middle-class world, fueled by expensive travel teams, private coaches and the best suburban high schools.

Counting historically black colleges, a recent study by the United States Sports Academy found that 4.5 percent of college baseball players are black, In 2006, there were just 24 black players in the SEC, a conference that includes eight states with a black population of more than 25 percent.

That's the reality, not a judgment. Baseball has become less enticing to African-Americans, a fact attributable either to diminished opportunity (expense/infrastructure/support/coaching) or the allure of other pursuits (basketball/football). College baseball is by far America's most underrated and under-covered sport, but the racial makeup of participants is no different from women's soccer. Players are often groomed more than developed.

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KEYWORDS: baseball; bspn; espn; race
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You have B, I mean ESPN removing Hank Williams Jr's Monday Night Football intro because of one dumb Godwin's Law comment that the left said all the time about Bush. This is crap.

Today, this editorial by Tim Keown pushes some leftist tripe here that is what I expect from BSPN. Good ole hypocrisy.

Besides the stupidity of this article, you have players from Cuba, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Mexico, and the USA which are all considered "Hispanic" despite the large difference in all those areas.

My attitude is this. Go Tigers. I don't care where the players come from. The only time I watch BSPN anymore is if my team is on. I prefer Big 10 Network anyway.

1 posted on 10/04/2011 4:31:05 PM PDT by Darren McCarty
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To: Darren McCarty

ESPN is bigoted.


2 posted on 10/04/2011 4:32:43 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The Obama Administration is unprincipled, corrupt, and corrupting.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Verlander is too sick.

Go Tigas!


3 posted on 10/04/2011 4:35:53 PM PDT by JosephMama
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To: popdonnelly

1) No. 2) Who really cares?


4 posted on 10/04/2011 4:36:14 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Darren McCarty

This is a racist column!!


5 posted on 10/04/2011 4:36:29 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Darren McCarty
Its a free market. Are there too many blacks in the NBA? Too many whites in the NHL? Tennis? Not enough Asians in porn?

Silly question.

6 posted on 10/04/2011 4:36:46 PM PDT by Paradox (Democrats on Obama, They can't deny him, He is them.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Que?


7 posted on 10/04/2011 4:37:09 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Racist question without a doubt.

And in view of they did to Jr. and Rush Limbaugh, shows them for the vile hypocrites they are.


8 posted on 10/04/2011 4:37:35 PM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (He hate me)
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To: Darren McCarty

We don’t do little league in America the way we used to. Used to be every boy was on a team and played pickup games in the park.

Used to be a team shirt and a ball cap were all that made a team but now I see big money spent for full uniforms and equipment. Kinda puts it out of reach of the poorer kids while in latin America, they’re still playing in the vacant lots.

Still got the playoff thread going, see tagline.


9 posted on 10/04/2011 4:38:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (MLB Playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2786167/posts)
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To: Darren McCarty

Is basketball too ghetto black?

Is Hockey too Nordic white?

Who cares?

They are all great athletes.


10 posted on 10/04/2011 4:38:48 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: Darren McCarty

I can be honest. This is why I stopped watching MLB and now only really watch the NFL.

MLB used to be by far my no.1 but the sport just ain’t the same.

If I wanted to watch another country’s sports professionals I would buy Fox Sports International.

Just speaking the truth, which is Illegal now. MLB is a business, if you want to keep making money, you’re going to have to cater to your fans. A lot of people I know feel the same way (which isn’t saying the country does of course)- everything is hispanized, almost all the players are non-American, the teams wear jersey’s that say “Los Mets”, and the music at the ball park is almost all salsa or reggaeton.

Great....I have no problem with it existing this way, I’m just saying that’s why I opted out for something far more American and to my tastes. I hope the huge hispanic market can support those salaries CC and them get when that’s the only market they have.


11 posted on 10/04/2011 4:39:15 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Infidel Inside)
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To: Paradox
Not enough Asians in porn?

Just the men I hear.... I dunno.... I am totally opposed to porn as a Christian so I will not be looking into that farther.

12 posted on 10/04/2011 4:39:28 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Darren McCarty
Baseball has become less enticing to African-Americans, a fact attributable either to diminished opportunity, or the allure of other pursuits.
Or maybe they're all dead from crime, drugs, and abortions.
Sky high incarceration rates and welfare as a career choice are strong candidates too.
13 posted on 10/04/2011 4:42:26 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Darren McCarty

Affirmative Action for Major League Baseball. Sounds like the way to go. Can’t have all those Hispanics (whoever and wherever they come from).


14 posted on 10/04/2011 4:43:19 PM PDT by JimSEA (The future ain't what it used to be.)
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To: cripplecreek
Used to be a team shirt and a ball cap were all that made a team
Long Island, about 1956 or so ...

15 posted on 10/04/2011 4:46:33 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: madison10

Why do they consider it necessary to question the presence of latinos in baseball? Wasn’t that the complaint of African Americans, that they didn’t get a chance to compete? In fact, it still is the complaint.


16 posted on 10/04/2011 4:48:00 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The Obama Administration is unprincipled, corrupt, and corrupting.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Are the NFL and NBA too black?

The answer is “NO”. The NFL and the fans don’t care; they just want to win.

How come there are so few Japanese and Hispanics in the NHL?


17 posted on 10/04/2011 4:48:10 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Darren McCarty

Congress is going to demand MLB to go affirmative action now.


18 posted on 10/04/2011 4:50:46 PM PDT by wastedyears (Attaaack Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch)
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To: Darren McCarty

Is ESPN too liberal?


19 posted on 10/04/2011 4:50:55 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Darren McCarty

Beisbol been bery, bery good to Latinoamerica.


20 posted on 10/04/2011 4:52:26 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Because japanese and Hispanics aren’t raised on ice. Same reason blacks aren’t swimmers.. opportunities as children and sport priorities..


21 posted on 10/04/2011 4:55:09 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Darren McCarty

I never paid any attention . . . I only watch the performance . . . is that racist?


22 posted on 10/04/2011 4:55:30 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: oh8eleven

I took photos for some little league teams this summer and they were decked out like mini big leaugers.

I spent a day and took photos for 10 teams and charged $1000 and the coaches said it was a fraction of what “pro” photographers were charging but I’m fine with it because its not worth a lot more than that and I’m helping to keep costs down. All in all it was about a weeks worth of work and I just gave the coaches the photos on disk so they could have them printed as needed.

Looks like next year I’ll doing nearly 30 teams and watching to make sure none of the pros slash my tires.


23 posted on 10/04/2011 4:58:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (MLB Playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2786167/posts)
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To: Darren McCarty
I stopped following baseball a long time ago for many reasons but that isn't one. Games too long, a 14/16 split in Leagues, the 1994 season, boring compared to college football or the NHL (IMO), the obsessed elevation of certain teams.
24 posted on 10/04/2011 4:59:46 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: Darren McCarty

Interesting points on the author’s part, though. I’ve long predicted that Major League Baseball would experience a steep decline in popularity in the U.S. as it became more “Hispanic” over time. Not that there’s anything wrong with professional sports teams going out and getting the best talent they can find, but at some point the foreign influence becomes so pervasive that it will take on many of the characteristics of soccer in this country. It will have a strong fan base, but will no longer have the kind of mass-market appeal to keep up with other professional sports.


25 posted on 10/04/2011 5:00:23 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: goseminoles

Those were rhetorical questions.


26 posted on 10/04/2011 5:01:05 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Darren McCarty

But let me guess ... football and basketball are not too black, right?


27 posted on 10/04/2011 5:07:03 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: cripplecreek

Having coached youth baseball for several years my opinion is that most American kids are bored spitless playing baseball unless they are pitching, catching, or playing shortstop. Maybe it’s the region in which I live but a lot of the more athletic kids seems to be gravitating toward lacrosse or spring basketball or soccer. Also, some of the youth football leagues are doing spring football.

I don’t know how to make the kids more interested in baseball without materially changing the sport, but for a lot of kids there are too many more interesting alternatives.


28 posted on 10/04/2011 5:08:17 PM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: Darren McCarty

The life blood of liberalism is injecting race and ethnicity into everything, and this article fits it to a T.


29 posted on 10/04/2011 5:13:40 PM PDT by JacksonCalhoun (CT Yankee in NC Exile)
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To: perez24

Back before video games took over, playing baseball, for kids, was the greatest time killer there was. I remember we’d literally play baseball games all day when I was a kid.


30 posted on 10/04/2011 5:15:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Darren McCarty

Most Hispanics in MLB are AFRO Hispanic from DR and PR. Why is it that blacks refuse to consider somebody like Sammy Sosa or Pujols as “black” just because they have Spanish last names.


31 posted on 10/04/2011 5:18:21 PM PDT by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
So you support a sport dominated by ghetto blacks instead of one played by poor blacks and mulattos (given the name Hispanic by the usual fools) from Latin America?

Maybe I should stop watching tennis because the Americans can't compete against the Eurotrash. Maybe now that Tiger is gone I should make golf my primary sport as it is largely played professionally by upper middle to upper class white guys from many nations.

I watch my sports for entertain,net, not because of ethnic kinship.

32 posted on 10/04/2011 5:22:40 PM PDT by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: dfwgator

Since he bleached his skin/contracted vertiligo, Sosa looks like a friend of mine from Grenada, causing my friend to get stopped on the streets by beisbol obsessed DominicanYorks of a certain age.


34 posted on 10/04/2011 5:24:43 PM PDT by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: oh8eleven

Riesterers in West Hempstead! Still a good bakery, btw.


35 posted on 10/04/2011 5:25:50 PM PDT by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: Darren McCarty
As a big league general manager told me a few years ago, "A dad will spend 25 grand over the years on gear and travel ball without blinking an eye, just so he can sit at the bar in his country club after playing 18 and tell everyone his kid is on a baseball scholarship that might be worth five grand a year."

I'm just guessing but I think this guy hasn't sent a kid to college for a while.

36 posted on 10/04/2011 5:29:10 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Darren McCarty
"Beesaball be vedy vedy goot to me"


37 posted on 10/04/2011 5:29:39 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

I never forgave Chico for writing, “Bad Stuff ‘Bout the Mets.”


38 posted on 10/04/2011 5:31:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

>If I wanted to watch another country’s sports professionals I would buy Fox Sports International.

I will have to AGREE.

It is not racism to like or prefer the sports you want to watch. It’s like placing the lone white guy in the ghetto. Would that white guy actually feel comfy? No. Same thing if an Asian dude is stuck in a Bev Hills seminar with 99% of white people in the room. It happened to my right-wing Filipino bud and he felt alienated. It also brought more evidence that L.A. is truly balkanized.


39 posted on 10/04/2011 5:31:21 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Darren McCarty

LOL! Are we going to see affirmative action in baseball now?


40 posted on 10/04/2011 5:32:38 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: dfwgator

The FIRST baseball strike ruined the game for me. I never went back.


41 posted on 10/04/2011 5:33:46 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Darren McCarty
What a bigoted thing for ESPN to say. If this would have been a conservative employed by ESPN it would of been the scandal of the week. Maybe they can write a follow-up story about Alpine Skiing being too white or Basketball being too black.
42 posted on 10/04/2011 5:34:04 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: cripplecreek

In the US, especially in the north, kids play 10-20 games a year and that’s it. No one plays at the park with friends anymore. If it isn’t a “real” game the kids don’t do it.

I’m only in my 40s but when I was a kid there were always pick up games going on or just kids playing catch, pepper or scrub.


43 posted on 10/04/2011 5:35:35 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Then there’s the parent’s irrational fear of their babies getting damaged with a hard ball being thrown around. The bats are the stuff nightmares are made of.


44 posted on 10/04/2011 5:38:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (MLB Playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2786167/posts)
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To: cripplecreek

You are exactly right. I’ve coached baseball and (God forbid!) football and I can’t believe how bad the mothers are about “protecting” their “babies”. Too many kids from broken homes who have moms that won’t let them do anything.


45 posted on 10/04/2011 5:44:51 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: goseminoles

Where I grew up swimming was not a particularly expensive sport to compete in. There were black kids nearby but they weren’t drawn to swimming. Mark Spitz didn’t make any money at it. (No, I did not grow up in Spitz’s neighborhood). I think Janet Evans and Summer Sanders might have made a few pennies but probably not as much as a professional baseball/football/basketball player.


46 posted on 10/04/2011 5:46:14 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Clemenza

Hey Clem,

Long time...

Anyway, neither do I but I guess I’m just “nativist” in the sense I don’t really enjoy foreign sports (or really any foreign entertainment other than perhaps Japanese comics/animation) whether they happen to physically taking place down the street or in Brazil.

Many would argue French film is superior to ours... does that mean you should watch it because it could “more entertaining” to you subjectively? I doubt it, you probably would prefer for no conscious reason, watching Harrison Ford or Denzel or what have you saving some fellow commuters from disaster.

You can relate to it more, you can understand where the skill comes from and that similar place of development you went through.

As the article notes, I just don’t see too much special in producing human “robots” in ‘from birth’ production factories that teach repetitive motion practice.

That just isn’t too special to me and I don’t really consider it ‘natural talent’ either.

A young human can amaze in what they can master when forced or driven to mechanical repetition of a certain skill-set.


47 posted on 10/04/2011 5:50:54 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Infidel Inside)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Seems to me that what’s left for little league are pushy parents with a serious belief that their son is destined for the big leagues.

When I was 8 years old it was all about the fun with a lesson in sportsmanship. Everybody knew everybody and all kids were cheered by all the parents.


48 posted on 10/04/2011 5:51:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (MLB Playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2786167/posts)
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To: Darren McCarty

Let me micromanage the racial quotas a little bit further. Too many hispanic shortstops, not enough hispanic first basemen.


49 posted on 10/04/2011 6:16:15 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: perez24

My son loves baseball and is in “fall ball” right now. I agree that most really active kids are bored by baseball. Ben likes it precisely because it has “down time”, I think, with intense moments spread out far enough that you can get ready for them. Also, he has been exposed to the heritage and the statistics and the Americana of it, through his Dad. When you put that together with being in a league that is less intensely competitive, and he knows many of the other boys from school, and you have a happy baseball player.

I know that’s not every boy’s experience, but there are still enough around. He probably won’t be a pro, but when it’s time to gather a team for the company picnic someday, he’ll be ready.

Also, I don’t think it bothers him that the pros are often Hispanic. If they’re wearing Angels uniforms, that’s good enough for him.


50 posted on 10/04/2011 8:48:54 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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