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Holidays Could Be Hell For TV Makers
tvpredictions.com ^ | October 19, 2011 | Phillip Swann

Posted on 10/19/2011 3:32:49 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave

Washington, D.C. (October 19, 2011) -- It's been a tough year for TV makers and a TVPredictions.com poll and other surveys suggest it could get even tougher this holiday season.

Asked if they planned to buy a HDTV this holiday season, 60.7 percent of our readers said no in an online poll taken here last week. Only 21.7 percent said yes while 17.6 percent said they weren't sure.

The dismal numbers follow an equally depressing survey result last week from the Ipsos organization. The company found that 45 percent of consumers plan to spend less this year compared to the 2010 holiday season. Only 11 percent said they would spend more.

While the survey did not specifically address consumers' plans for HDTVs and CE products, the overall numbers would suggest that people will keep a tight grip on their wallets this year.

Of course, for TV makers, this is just an additional topping of bad news. Thanks to the sluggish economy -- and consumers' lukewarm reception to new 3D TVs -- sales of new HDTVs have been flat this year. In the first quarter, sales of LCD sets even fell, albeit by 3.5 percent.

TV makers, and their CE retail partners, have been hoping that the holiday season would help turn the year around. But if the surveys reflect reality, that may not happen.

Consequently, I think you'll see TV makers slash prices even further than expected during the holiday shopping season. And, if they are smart, they will continue to downplay the 3D features of new sets and focus instead on how great the HD picture is.

Almost 18 percent of our survey respondents said they are not sure if they will buy a new set this holiday season; the TV makers better give them a good reason why they should.


TOPICS: Music/Entertainment; TV/Movies
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1 posted on 10/19/2011 3:32:57 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Doesn’t everybody already pretty much have a TV in every room by now?

Heck, I watch most of my TV on my laptop, I rarely even watch my TV anymore.


2 posted on 10/19/2011 3:35:47 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ADemocratNoMore; advertising guy; aft_lizard; AJMaXx; Alice in Wonderland; american colleen; ...
Pinging the HDTV list..

HDTV pings!

3 posted on 10/19/2011 3:36:42 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (The DemocRATic party preys on the ignorant!)
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To: dfwgator

There will be very few purchases from me this year for Christmas. I simply cannot afford anything. It’s ok though, I have my family and that’s enough.


4 posted on 10/19/2011 3:42:13 PM PDT by corlorde (NH)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Who wants a tv when there’s no heart-warming Christmas specials?

The leftists have killed Christmas specials and they have indeed killed television. I hate it. It’s not fit for pigs, Even if they wear lipstick like the current occupant of the White Hut’s wife wears!

“All this for a damned flag?”

I hate these anti-American, anti-Christan and Jew scum of the Chicago sewers!

Get the hell out of the executive mansion and take your #12’a off that antique desk you schmuck!


5 posted on 10/19/2011 3:42:59 PM PDT by IbJensen (Ron Paul For President! Or anyone other that Romney!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

What’s happened to all the hype about plasma TV and that one with the little girl and “it’s the mirrors”? LCD TV’s seem to be the one that’s come out on top, like Beta vs VHS.


6 posted on 10/19/2011 3:42:59 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Pilot: n. The Highest Form Of Life On Earth)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

$249 for a no-name 1080p 32” LCD in the Fry’s ad today.

Christmas will be a price war bloodbath.


7 posted on 10/19/2011 3:43:21 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: dfwgator

That’s part of the problem. TV’s are made too well now.

In the past, manufacturers could count on the occasional tube blowing or the occasional shoe breaking the tube.

Also, since HD manufacturers haven’t come up with any worthwhile features that people are willing to lay out some bucks for. 3-D hasn’t proven the draw that many were counting on.


8 posted on 10/19/2011 3:44:01 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: corlorde

“I have my family and that’s enough.”

That makes you a rich man.


9 posted on 10/19/2011 3:51:06 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: All

I just bought a nice 50” LCD HDTV which web enabled. I now get Netflix, HULU-plus and various other downloadable programming and apps.

I’ve ditched the satellite dish and the cable (no longer need a land line due to a smartphone). Feels that it’s a brave new frontier.

If the entertainment industry is smart, they’ll see the writing on the wall and offer more internet programming.


10 posted on 10/19/2011 3:55:45 PM PDT by Kolath
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To: Jonty30
That’s part of the problem. TV’s are made too well now.

In the past, manufacturers could count on the occasional tube blowing or the occasional shoe breaking the tube.

Also, since HD manufacturers haven’t come up with any worthwhile features that people are willing to lay out some bucks for. 3-D hasn’t proven the draw that many were counting on.


We had a 32" CRT before our HDTV that lasted us for I want to say a good 10+ years. Our 20" CRT that was in the bedroom had lasted since 1989. We upgraded 5-6 years ago and have seen nothing since then to cause us to upgrade. It was only recently that we moved to Blu-Ray, but our digital TV service and AppleTV are still not 1080p (and AppleTV probably won't be until the next one). There is literally nothing on the horizon to cause us to upgrade - 3D, no thanks, not as good as I thought it would be. Larger TV? Not without adding on to the living room.
11 posted on 10/19/2011 4:31:59 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Jonty30

My wife and I finally made a big television purchase this summer...got a 55” Samsung (Went for probably the last six or seven years without a real television...had a 12” LCD in the kitchen...:)

I don’t watch any television at all, but I do love watching movies and NFL football, and that is great! Netflix is fine with an occasional rental from the Apple store. We don’t have cable...and that is fine.

I must say...I have watched several 3D movies, and I liked it. People seem really down on it, but the features I watched were fine, didn’t strain my eyes and had nice looking 3D. Two glasses came with the set, and I got a free 3D kit from Amazon with two more.

I love being able to watch movies on something bigger than my computer now...:)


12 posted on 10/19/2011 4:39:54 PM PDT by rlmorel (9/11: Aggression is attracted to weakness like sharks are to blood, and we were weak. We still are.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Who’d spend all that money for nothing?


13 posted on 10/19/2011 4:55:06 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Kolath
I’ve ditched the satellite dish and the cable (no longer need a land line due to a smartphone).

Where do you get the internet from...?

14 posted on 10/19/2011 5:22:09 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: IbJensen
Who wants a tv when there’s no heart-warming Christmas specials?

The leftists have killed Christmas specials and they have indeed killed television. I hate it. It’s not fit for pigs, Even if they wear lipstick like the current occupant of the White Hut’s wife wears


Yeah, I know, they don't broadcast the Christmas specials like they used to. You'd have to go to ABC Family or other sources on cable to see them. B-(

I hate these anti-American, anti-Christan and Jew scum of the Chicago sewers!

Get the hell out of the executive mansion and take your #12’a off that antique desk you schmuck!


Agreed, we need to get that maladroit, half-Kenyan witchdoctor out of the White Hut.
16 posted on 10/19/2011 6:28:41 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("People should not fear their government, their government should fear the people." - V for Vendetta)
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To: IbJensen
Who wants a tv when there’s no heart-warming Christmas specials?

The leftists have killed Christmas specials and they have indeed killed television. I hate it. It’s not fit for pigs, Even if they wear lipstick like the current occupant of the White Hut’s wife wears


Yeah, I know, they don't broadcast the Christmas specials like they used to. You'd have to go to ABC Family or other sources on cable to see them. B-(

I hate these anti-American, anti-Christan and Jew scum of the Chicago sewers!

Get the hell out of the executive mansion and take your #12’a off that antique desk you schmuck!


Agreed, we need to get that maladroit, half-Kenyan witchdoctor out of the White Hut.
17 posted on 10/19/2011 6:28:56 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("People should not fear their government, their government should fear the people." - V for Vendetta)
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To: Nowhere Man

Sorry about the double post.


18 posted on 10/19/2011 6:30:51 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("People should not fear their government, their government should fear the people." - V for Vendetta)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I will watch the prices. I’d like to ditch my 60” DLP and go with a 60” plasma or LCD.


19 posted on 10/19/2011 6:32:34 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

What I want is a DAR. Digital Audio Recorder that works similar to the DVR.
A radio receiver with a hard drive and the ability to stop, reverse, record.
Many times I wish I could replay something Rush or Mark Steyn said or save it for my wife to hear.
Haven’t seen one on the market.


20 posted on 10/19/2011 6:45:54 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: raybbr

I ditched the cable tv...still have the internet cable.


21 posted on 10/19/2011 6:47:26 PM PDT by Kolath
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To: Las Vegas Dave

What’s a “TV”?

/semi-sarc


22 posted on 10/19/2011 7:01:19 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Never Again! Except for the next time.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Thanks Las Vegas Dave. 3D TV appears to be a massive waste of money. But the fact that demand will be well under the supply is a good thing. :’)


23 posted on 10/19/2011 7:18:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Funny...this is the year we’re finally planning to buy a new TV, and a house to put it in.


24 posted on 10/19/2011 7:25:51 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (I have been called intolerant. It's true. I refuse to tolerate the intolerable.)
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To: Nowhere Man
You'd have to go to ABC Family or other sources on cable to see them.

One nice thing is that a lot of the old Christmas specials you've seen in the past can now be seen on ABC Family, which is generally part of most basic cable TV or satellite TV packages.

25 posted on 10/19/2011 7:39:11 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: SkyDancer
A couple small differences between the TV and VCR “wars”.

1. Buying one or the other TV will not limit your ability to view content designed for the other— because no such design differences exist.

2. Plasma TV is (still, may change) superior to LCD in terms of brightness, contrast and to a lesser extent color quality. This superiority (a) comes at a price (plasma costs more) and (b) is nearly invisible to the naked or untrained eye. People will bypass the “best” in favor of the “good enough” if there's sufficient price advantage.

I'm still watching a 1997-model 19” CRT, and so are a lot of other people. This year I plan to pick out a 32” LCD panel in 720p. 32”-ers are available in 1080p, but in that size I don't see the advantage to higher resolution. With a dreamland unlimited budget, I'd probably go for a 50+” plasma in 1080p and then die of butt calluses during my 4,853rd viewing of the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.

26 posted on 10/19/2011 7:39:53 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (I have been called intolerant. It's true. I refuse to tolerate the intolerable.)
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To: rlmorel

Best thing about HDTV: it is totally awesome for football (both the American and soccer kind), totally awesome for basketball, and has actually made baseball and hockey watchable again.


27 posted on 10/19/2011 7:42:16 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: ExGeeEye

I almost went with a Panasonic 42” 1080p plasma TV, but back in March 2010 they tended to use more power at reasonable brightness levels than the Sony KDL-40EX500 40” LCD I finally got. I do like the current crop of 42” plasma displays, though—they’ve really improved the power consumption and because plasma displays have a “natural” refresh rate of 600 Hz, it also means no motion blurring on very fast motion like what you see in action movies and live sporting events.


28 posted on 10/19/2011 7:48:50 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

NFL football is just amazing to watch in HD. Heh, I hike my chair up to about four feet away...:)


29 posted on 10/19/2011 7:52:19 PM PDT by rlmorel (9/11: Aggression is attracted to weakness like sharks are to blood, and we were weak. We still are.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Hey, thanks for that. My thing was will there be just a standard TV where LCD would be the one? Are there many sales of plasma or that one with mirrors or whatever?


30 posted on 10/19/2011 8:06:05 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Pilot: n. The Highest Form Of Life On Earth)
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To: Snickering Hound

TV’s are thrifty - - it’s the cable cost that amazes me.

I’m considering setting up my old CRT or going to the local pub to watch football. It would be cheaper and I get to flirt with the waitress.


31 posted on 10/19/2011 8:55:54 PM PDT by Loud Mime (The Obama voters are dumber than you think, meaner than you can imagine)
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To: Vinnie

Reruns/Podcasts are on Rush’s website


32 posted on 10/19/2011 9:09:56 PM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: BreezyDog

But you have to pay to hear them. : (


33 posted on 10/19/2011 9:22:08 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Uhhhh!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I figure, if I don’t buy something I don’t need, then I’m richer to the extent of what I didn’t pay.

So, as a country, the more of something we don’t need that we don’t buy, the better off we are as a country.

That goes for TV’s that we don’t need.

So, this is good news, right?


34 posted on 10/19/2011 9:26:27 PM PDT by Larry Lucido ("#Occupy America" is a great success! I got mail today addressed to "Occupant"!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I may be the only one who feels this way, but I do not like the LED TV’s...prefer the LCD picture.

Two friends have the large screen LED’s, and to me it makes movies look like they were filmed with the average camcorder. Have watched several different style movies, and all have that same look on LED.

I hope they never phase out the LCD’s.


35 posted on 10/19/2011 9:41:25 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Kolath
Netflix streaming rocks! It's so easy to use and the picture is stunning. I took the plunge into HDTV myself a couple of months ago with a 42" Panasonic plasma.
36 posted on 10/19/2011 10:57:39 PM PDT by Ken H (They are running out of other people's money. )
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To: SkyDancer
I don't see why. The only determining factor would be whether there is sufficient market to support the manufacture of the higher-end sets.

Like, for instance, there is a market for Ferraris. I have a minivan. Both burn gasoline to carry the driver from point A to point B a lot faster than I can walk, but with the Ferrari you're paying for performance and workmanship that you don't get in the domestic minivan market.

There's also a matter of taste; don't get me wrong, I think Ferraris are way cool, but aside from the fact that I don't have that much money in the car budget, my wife and I just really like the comfort and cargo capacity of our minivan. Likewise, a 32" panel set will just "fit better" in our living room, the "cool factor" of a giant screen notwithstanding.

37 posted on 10/20/2011 2:56:16 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (I have been called intolerant. It's true. I refuse to tolerate the intolerable.)
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To: Cedar
One of us may have his terms mixed; the only LED TV's I've seen are LCDs. The light source behind the screen is LED, rather than the fluorescent tubes. Whether this gives a visual advantage, deponent sayeth not; it does appear to give an advantage in terms of heat generated and power used (both lower with the LCDs).

Have you seen a set made up of an array of LEDs? Could you point me at a store ad for one?

38 posted on 10/20/2011 3:01:05 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (I have been called intolerant. It's true. I refuse to tolerate the intolerable.)
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To: Cedar

An LED TV does not use LEDs for the pixels, that part is still LCD. LEDs are used for the light source instead of the older fluorescent tubes. And while the first implementations may be somewhat lacking, it is the future.

Well, at least until they get LEDs to provide the pixels.


39 posted on 10/20/2011 4:23:23 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: dfwgator

I dont have a tv, planning to purchase on though. I have decided not to darken another theatre and am trying to set up a film room.


40 posted on 10/20/2011 5:39:58 AM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: rlmorel

I am looking at the Samsung 55. Do you have to watch it in three d? Is the regular picture just as good? Where did you get it and would you get it there again?


41 posted on 10/20/2011 5:43:08 AM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Vinnie
http://www.ccrane.com/radios/am-fm-radios/sangean-prd8-am-fm-mp3-radio.aspx

Records 10 hours of radio.

42 posted on 10/20/2011 6:15:33 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Do the TV shows and specials suck less in 3D?
I’d pay money I don’t have for TV shows that entertain me and don’t try to indoctrinate me.


43 posted on 10/20/2011 6:26:52 AM PDT by shoff (Environmentalists are the 21st century’s luddites.)
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To: SkyDancer

I love my plasma. The refresh rate of the LCDs (even the high rate models) did not compare with plasma.


44 posted on 10/20/2011 6:34:47 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: Vinnie

I want that too! With noisy kids, I often miss something on the radio that I really wanted to hear! And no quick rewind!


45 posted on 10/20/2011 6:58:13 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Chickensoup
I don't know about the 55”, but we have a 46” Samsung with LED backing and 240 Hz, and the picture is stunning.

I imagine the 55” would be an upgrade over this, so, yes, I can recommend it.

Oh - we got ours at Best Buy. Would I go back? Of course! I still do!

CA....

46 posted on 10/20/2011 7:49:06 AM PDT by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: Chickensoup

Hi Chickensoup...I got it from Amazon, and would gladly get it from them again. You don’t have to watch in 3D. If you have a 3D movie, you put the movie in the player, put on the glasses, press the power button on the glasses, and they synch to the television (via bluetooth, I think).

They are electronic, not like the ones you see at the movies, and comfortable to wear. I have two different kinds, two of them use a watch battery, they other two plug into a USB port to charge. Either way, not bad.

The unit we got has wireless in it, so you can go on the internet (a bit ungainly, but you can do it) or you can simply use one of their samsung apps to watch netflix. I have an Apple TV unit, so I use that to do Netflix...it is more elegant, I think.

The regular viewing is spectacularly crisp, but I will caution that there is something about the quality of the picture that some people don’t like. I think they call it “the soap opera lighting effect” or something like that.

Check out this link I just found at random that explains it, but there is a way around it, apparently:

http://hdguru.com/a-solution-to-the-dreaded-soap-opera-effect/2119/

Heck, I have had the unit for several months now, and haven’t got around to adjusting it yet, so you can see how much it bothers me. I guess that just comes from not watching television at all, and when I watched movies, was watching on my computer screen.

I would buy this unit in a heartbeat. There is almost no bezel, so it looks like a sheet of black glass, and it is about an inch and a half thick or something ridiculous like that. We will be mounting it above our fireplace (once we get the power and cable routing installed) with a low profile samsung mount that hangs it like a picture frame.


47 posted on 10/20/2011 9:00:14 AM PDT by rlmorel (9/11: Aggression is attracted to weakness like sharks are to blood, and we were weak. We still are.)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Don’t tell anybody but I signed up for Rush’s 24/7 2 yr subscription 4 years ago and haven’t been asked to renew and my password still works.


48 posted on 10/20/2011 10:10:22 AM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: Vinnie

Vinnie, There are a few software apps that does what you have described..I use the “Total Recorder” software (http://www.highcriteria.com/ )to schedule, and record Rush, or anything that I want to hear at a later time..(it can record anything that comes through your sound card, in Mp3 format),so my wife can hear it later..it costs about $18 dollars; but it works well.

If you don’t wish to spend money, there’s the FREE software “Kat Mp3 Recorder”, (http://www.goodkatshare.com/kat-mp3-recorder) which does the same thing as Total Recorder.

Then, there’s “Audacity” (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/), which is a free software that is also an audio editor as well as an audio recorder. it’s pretty decent as well.

Just a few suggestions for your consideration.


49 posted on 10/20/2011 10:25:31 AM PDT by Biblical Calvinist (Soli Deo Gloria !)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I knew if I waited a little longer it would pay off. I’ve had the money set aside for an LCD for more than a year, but it hasn’t really been burning a hole in my wallet, so I’ve been putting it off. Mostly, because who wants to watch my Broncos suck that badly in HD (lol)? Maybe it’s finally getting to be about time to take the plunge. Might start doing a little research and window shopping...


50 posted on 10/20/2011 10:37:30 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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