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To: jimmyray; John Valentine; muir_redwoods
Orbit is a result of a very simple mechanical stabilization. The centripetal force of an object rotating around another object becomes equal to the gravitational force between them. This can go on indefinitely until something else interrupts the system. Someday, the current mechanical state of the solar system will be interrupted and life will cease to exist.

Nearly infinite quantities of massive objects of various masses traveling at various velocities will automatically form their own orbits. Most of the objects will collide or miss but some will interact just right and begin to orbit. When colliding, some objects will bounce, some will fuse, some will break apart into hundreds of smaller objects. After nearly infinite lengths of time, they will form semi-stable systems. Some will even implode to become nuclear fireballs. This nuclear energy adds another twist to the equation.

The satellite orbits you refer to are considered “difficult” because we place one single object in a single deliberate orbit. The system must be calculated exactly and we don’t have nearly infinite attempts at achieving the result. The universe does. The natural system you see around us can be the result of a one in octillion occurrence. We only see the one seemingly perfect result here on earth, not the 10^27 “failures” scattered throughout the near infinite universe.

The earth is an ideal mass/velocity (aka orbit) and has just the right composition for carbon-based life. The iron core rotates in such a way to create a magnetic shield from solar wind. As a result, nearly every square inch is covered with life. Every single life form on this planet uses the same basic mechanism – from bacteria to humans. This mechanism could have easily began with a single random occurrence after hundreds of millions of years of “failure”. Again, we only see this good, seemingly miraculous result because it DID happen here. On a nearly infinite number of planets, it did not happen because the combination is so unlikely. Nobody is there to discuss it.

It is difficult to believe this could all be random because all of human history and every single thing man has ever done is nothing compared to the scale of the universe. It is barely one water atom in the universe’s ocean. Even the Earth’s history is barely comprehensible. Octillions of invisible chemical reactions over hundreds of millions of years are incomprehensible to humans.

Will proof that our creation is completely random cheapen life or make humans less special? NO It would mean we are the self-realization, or “brain”, of the universe. I find that far more incredible and special than if we did prove an intelligent, deliberate creator.

39 posted on 11/11/2011 1:01:56 PM PST by varyouga
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To: varyouga

“This mechanism could have easily began with a single random occurrence after hundreds of millions of years of “failure”.”

That number has been calculated. It’s odds on the order of a dozen monkeys on typewriters banging out a Shakespearean Sonnet.

We aren’t without proof of an intelligent creator. For some, that burden is higher for them than it is for others. It’s why we call it faith.

We have absolutely no evidence, for example, of cross species evolution. This would tend to mitigate against the idea we evolved from protozoa.

There’s a lot of evidence that tends to support that E.T. may live, and that the most likely mode of transport is interdimensional. We can’t conceive of how this would work at the moment, but I think it tends to support an intelligent creation, or the lack of a ‘singularity’ creating mass and energy where there was none previously.


40 posted on 11/11/2011 1:10:13 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: varyouga
"I find that far more incredible and special than if we did prove an intelligent, deliberate creator. "

I agree. This is why the Big Bang and abiogenesis require much more faith than belief in the God of the Bible. Both are religious beliefs, and neither can be proven conclusively. We each must weigh the evidence and place our faith in what it most worthy, in our estimation.

49 posted on 11/12/2011 8:07:29 AM PST by jimmyray
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