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[NEWwoman]

So you say Oswald shot as well. That was quite a twist.

As to happening here, I recall when Reagan was shot not long after he took office. A book out - Rawhide Down - says he came very, very close to dying except for the quick and right decisions of the driver to take him to hospital right away and the surgeon.

[Sprite518]

You are right the government never lies and E Howard Hunt’s deathbed confession to his son... was just his ego... Yeah that’s the ticket!

[NEWwoman]

I was in 2nd grade, too. I remember the teacher making a very solemn announcement. At home, my mother cried. Then later we went to church in the middle of the week.

[NEWwoman]

How clearly we remember something 50 years ago. And we lived through a quarter to a fifth of American history. That is one defining moment.

[NEWwoman]

Do you still have your SR paper? That would be very interesting to historians.

[Condor51]

*** How clearly we remember something 50 years ago. And we lived through a quarter to a fifth of American history. That is one defining moment. ***

Yep, a defining moment for sure.

I even remember that right after we were told about it, one kid in the back of the room shouted out 'Good!'. Nobody said anything to him, we just turned around and gave him 'a look'. And so did our Woodshop Teacher.

To us it was prolly like our parents on Dec 7th and Pearl Harbor.

[Cincinna]

Watching Oswald being marched handcuffed through the Dallas police station, and being shot by Jack Ruby on National TV is something I still find unbelievable to this day. Not being a person who believes in coincidence, IMO, I still believe it was a set up & a conspiracy.

Thank God that driver was a quick thinker. It is hard to imagine our Nation without Ronald Reagan’s presidency. The world would be a very different place.

[colorado tanker]

I still remember where I was when I heard the news. I guess now, with more perspective, it's just the event that ushered in the awful decade in my mind. Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy assassination, Vietnam, King assassination, second Kennedy assassination, urban riots, campus riots, Manson family, ROTC buildings burned, hippies, troops spat upon, home grown terrorism, hey if the government spends enough money we can eliminate poverty . . .

It always strikes me as some kind of twisted joke when liberals wax nostalgic for the Sixties. Ask them why and they throw the Civil Rights Act in you face like you must be a racist. Seriously? One good thing does not erase the rest of the awful decade.

[wolfcreek]

I don't know. It could be in amongst some of my old stuff at my Moms house.

I'll see if I can find it.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks PhilDragoo.

...Blakey & Co. indicated probable conspiracy with organized crime as the likely perpetrator.

That conclusion is correct. Carlos Marcello had been arrested and deported under his bogus Costa Rican passport/identity, and nearly died getting back from that jungle airstrip where Kennedy's people dumped him off down there. That event more than any other led to the assassinations of both Kennedy brothers.

Lane's stuff is just nuts, but he is good for some laughs. The CIA had been paying the mob to 'hit' Castro, but the mob realized early on that they'd never have the Cuban casinos back. They kept taking the money for work not performed, even after JFK and RFK ordered the efforts to assassinate Castro to stop. That was the means by which the mob was able to blackmail the CIA into silence.

When those photos of the actual assassin was shown to Helms, he knew who it was, but answered that he'd never seen the man before. The photos were taken outside the Soviet embassy in Mexico City; Oswald had been sent to Mexico City, told that he was there to cool off, so no one would think he was still in Dallas. The real reason was so the real assassin could tail him to get used to his movements, way he looked from different angles, way he walked, etc, so that he could identify him at a distance with certainty.

The first plan to eliminate Oswald was for the assassin to kill him at the scene after the police started firing at him after JFK was shot -- dead president, dead assassin, case closed. Instead, the echoes from the assassin's own gun (and maybe Oswald's as well) caused the cops to run up the infamous grassy knoll, thinking that the shots came from there. Oswald stood in the window as he'd been ordered to, but the assassin couldn't open fire. He waited as long as he felt he dared, then disassembled his rifle, taped the parts to his leg, put his pants back on, and with a pronounced limp left the County Records building and then the country.

The police never saw Oswald or figured out the diirection of his shots because of the architecture of Dealey Plaza. They went right up to that Grassy Knoll fence and around it, and found no smell, casings, or suspects behind it, because there never had been any.

The second plan for Oswald's demise never came off, and is only theoretical, but would have taken the form of someone who was waiting for his exit from the Book Depository, to follow him and kill him quietly somewhere; it's possible that the second plan didn't exist, or that it was supposed to happen that way but the operative didn't show up, or got spooked and took off, or that Oswald 'made' him and gave him the slip, or that the operative just never got the opportunity before Oswald's arrest. It wasn't as clean as the Dealey plan, but someone really wanted him dead.

Both Oswald and Ferrie worked for Carlos Marcello's mob lawyer, Ferrie was in court in St Louis the day of the assassination. Jack Ruby was another mobster, what a weird coincidence, he'd been run out of Chicago (I think it was), and was given the assignment to kill Oswald after the first two plans failed. For that matter, Johnny Roselli was scheduled to appear before the House Select Committee on Assassinations, didn't show up, and some days later what used to be Johnny Roselli was found inside an oil drum floating off Tampa (I think it was).

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks colorado tanker.

It always strikes me as some kind of twisted joke when liberals wax nostalgic for the Sixties.

That's because many of them were young, and we all remember the time of our youth fondly -- I came of age in the 1970s, and thanks to OPEC's embargo and Jimmy effin' Carter in the White House, that was a miserable decade. But I'd gladly be back there (and that age) again. :')

Another reason the libs wax nostalgic for the Sixties is, they like to think they almost succeeded in overthrowing the gov't and instituting a single party state with "their own kind" in charge.

Instead, the so-called anti-war movement led to Nixon's squeaking in in 1968, a small budget surplus in his first full year in office, *eventually* a face-saving agreement to get out of Vietnam, the Nixon landslide and repudiation of McGovernism, the end of the draft and of mandatory draft registration (the latter was reinstituted under Jimmy effin' Carter), the troops (including John McCain) coming home, and paranoia and backstabbing by a liberal mole (several, in fact) leading to Nixon's downfall.

The 1970s led us to Ronald Reagan, but without Nixon, there would have been no Reagan, just as there would have been no Nixon without Goldwater, and for that matter, without LBJ there would have been none of 'em.

[Pelham]

“Which post did I make where I said that Oswald wasn’t involved?
Please point that one out, because I don’t remember saying that...”

Sorry, you are correct, I misread your post.

[SunkenCiv]

Thank you Dallas! Good night!

[djf]

I have no doubt he was in it up to his eyeballs. But I also think that whoever was the driving force behind it set up a second (and possibly a third) team, not as backups, but as independent teams who were INTENTIONALLY kept in the dark about each other.

Then let the chips fall where they fell...

[PhilDragoo]

Lee Oswald wasn't in the window and didn't fire any weapon. He wasn't in Mexico City. The CIA is the last man standing.

[dragnet2]

Only in Texas can a President of the United States be assassinated, then the assassin is murdered on live television, while in police custody...

[PghBaldy]

I was an embryo or a fetus. Not sure which, or if there is a difference. Pretty young, either way.

[Ditter]

You really need to seek help with this Texas obsession.

[dragnet2]

Is there something I said that wasn’t true, or do you just have difficulty hearing truth?

[Ditter]

I am not casting any doubt on the events, I was 23 years old at the time and know all about it. My comment was about you and how you constantly are talking about how much you hate all things Texan. You are a sick person and you need help.