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Man catches 881-pound tuna, seized by feds
Yahoo ^ | 2011 11 22 | Eric Pfeiffer

Posted on 11/22/2011 1:31:09 PM PST by Silentgypsy

A Massachusetts fisherman pulled in an 881-pound tuna this week only to have the federal authorities take it away. It sounds like a libertarian twist on the classic novella by Ernest Hemingway, The Old Man and the Sea, but for Carlos Rafael, the saga is completely true.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: assets; federal; regulation; seizure
Grrr....
1 posted on 11/22/2011 1:31:16 PM PST by Silentgypsy
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To: rabscuttle385; MestaMachine; LucyT; bigheadfred; Daffynition; TheOldLady

Ping.


2 posted on 11/22/2011 1:35:21 PM PST by Silentgypsy (If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!)
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To: Silentgypsy

The guy is a commercial fisherman and knows this tuna, regardless of its size, is a by-catch of his trolling and not caught legally.


3 posted on 11/22/2011 1:37:26 PM PST by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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To: Silentgypsy

communist from the zer0 regime have stolen this mans livelyhood....

he should have said he caught it on a rod...


4 posted on 11/22/2011 1:37:41 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: TexasCajun

trawling...not trolling

trolling would have been legal.


5 posted on 11/22/2011 1:38:31 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero

(Ignorant question coming) Is it even physically possible to catch an 800+ lbs. tuna on a rod without putting yourself in serious danger?


6 posted on 11/22/2011 1:41:09 PM PST by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: Silentgypsy

I practice spear and release


7 posted on 11/22/2011 1:41:18 PM PST by al baby (Is that old windbag still on the air ?)
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To: alancarp

Yes....just like catching a giant marlin or swordfish.

you sit in a special seat, have a very expensive rod and reel that has a good drag and you wear the fish out as it runs out line and you reel back in and it takes hours to reel in....

then you sell it to the japanese for 3/4 of a million bucks...


8 posted on 11/22/2011 1:45:58 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: TexasCajun
The guy is a commercial fisherman and knows this tuna, regardless of its size, is a by-catch of his trolling and not caught legally.

Another example of over-regulation that results in so much seafood being imported.

OTOH, this fish is worth close to $400,000 on the open market.

9 posted on 11/22/2011 1:48:18 PM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Just because you say it doesn't make it true. By repeating it, just makes it propaganda.)
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To: Silentgypsy

I’ve heard that tuna steaks are quite tasty!


10 posted on 11/22/2011 1:48:24 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Silentgypsy

There are some truly ridiculous rules and regulations when it comes to hunting and fishing.


11 posted on 11/22/2011 1:51:20 PM PST by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: Silentgypsy

That’s a fish where a stun-gun just wouldn’t do the job.


12 posted on 11/22/2011 1:55:43 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen. --> AmeriCain)
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To: Silentgypsy
Taken from OMB# 0648-0327 EXP 03-31-2012

National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration: Atlantic Tuna & Atlantic Highly Migratory Species Permit Application.

He knew the categories he checked off on his permit (Assuming I found the correct application).

13 posted on 11/22/2011 1:56:09 PM PST by SorbetCon
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To: Silentgypsy

What did the Feds do with the Giant Tuna? Did they use the proceeds to pay down the debt? Hmmmmmm......


14 posted on 11/22/2011 1:57:48 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: Silentgypsy

Did they throw the tuna into the evidence locker?


15 posted on 11/22/2011 2:00:03 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: Silentgypsy

On one hand, these people in Fall River and other places where fishing boats work absolutely DETEST the feds, to the point where some fear for their life.

On the other hand, a huge percentage of them vote for Barney Frank, so I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

Reap what you sow.


16 posted on 11/22/2011 2:02:00 PM PST by rlmorel (The Rats won't be satisfied until every industry in the USA is in ruins and ripe for nationalization)
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To: Vaquero
Thank you, I just knew something was wrong with that sentence, busy multi-tasking trying earn a living while freeping.

Yes, trolling would have been legal, catching it while trawling makes it illegal.

In this case the Captain thought he was legal because he had Blue Tuna tags. But the tags didn't mean a thing cause he caught it in his trawl net.

Boy, knowing how much this thing would sell far, I don't know if I would have been so up front about my catch.

17 posted on 11/22/2011 2:04:14 PM PST by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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To: Silentgypsy

Should have had a Habachi on his boat and cooked it before he came ashore.
Like they do in Florida with snook, manatees and F.W.S. officers.


18 posted on 11/22/2011 2:23:39 PM PST by Joe Boucher (FUBO ya quota boy ( Real conservative or go fish, Sooo, that leaves you out Mitt))
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To: Joe Boucher

Is there anything this ridiculous govt does not regulate to the bone?


19 posted on 11/22/2011 2:27:37 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

It seems, sex between female teachers and underage boys or underage girls.
That’s about it.


20 posted on 11/22/2011 2:30:09 PM PST by Joe Boucher (FUBO ya quota boy ( Real conservative or go fish, Sooo, that leaves you out Mitt))
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To: alancarp

Yikes, that’s a fish that weighs nearly 90% of what an average thoroughbred racehorse weighs.....I guess it’s possible, but how could it be worth what some posters are saying it’s worth-—$400-700K? Breeding rights?


21 posted on 11/22/2011 2:34:53 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: supremedoctrine

Sushi grade. Big bucks!


22 posted on 11/22/2011 2:40:39 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I wonder if they will be serving Tuna at the White House next week?


23 posted on 11/22/2011 2:42:28 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: SorbetCon

I believe that he had the correct permit but caught the tuna unintentionally with a net as opposed to with a rod and reel.


24 posted on 11/22/2011 3:02:18 PM PST by Silentgypsy (If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!)
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To: TexasCajun

“...I don’t know if I would have been so up front about my catch. “ How does one hide an 881-pound fish? Maybe it has to be weighed before it’s processed or something and there aren’t any secret scales.


25 posted on 11/22/2011 3:07:44 PM PST by Silentgypsy (If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!)
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To: castlegreyskull
What did the Feds do with the Giant Tuna? Did they use the proceeds to pay down the debt? Hmmmmmm......

Yes good question citizen... We are requesting the funds to investigate where this Tuna is actually located. We expect funding to be available prior to the third-quarter 2012.

26 posted on 11/22/2011 3:09:09 PM PST by steveo
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To: Silentgypsy

This is America where FREEDOM is NEVER free. If they can’t tax it or steal it, it doesn’t exist.


27 posted on 11/22/2011 3:11:09 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: supremedoctrine
I guess it’s possible, but how could it be worth what some posters are saying it’s worth-—$400-700K?

It's exponential. The more a fish weighs, the more valuable each ounce of it is on the Japanese sushi market.

28 posted on 11/22/2011 3:12:13 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Silentgypsy

Pelosi stole it for her tuna factory


29 posted on 11/22/2011 3:34:12 PM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: castlegreyskull
Did they throw the tuna into the evidence locker?

Probably not. Fish cops usually take the fish to a dealer and sell it. Often they will have the buyer put down a lower weight on the fish ticket, while paying the cops for the actual weight. Guess who gets the difference?

With a bluefin tuna the price per pound can be astronomical. Think hundreds (or in Japan thousands) of dollars per pound.

Back in the day in Washington State, many a fish cop was able to afford an expensive new home and a Porsche for the garage.

30 posted on 11/22/2011 4:05:01 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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31 posted on 11/23/2011 7:26:10 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: alancarp
(Ignorant question coming) Is it even physically possible to catch an 800+ lbs. tuna on a rod without putting yourself in serious danger?

When anglers target large bluefin tuna for the purpose of selling them, they usually use a 130 class rod and reel,fished out of a swivel rodholder. (This 130 class equipment is too heavy for a stand-up angler to use with a belt and harness.)

The 130 means the reel is designed to use 130 lb test line although most anglers will use heavier line on the reels. The drag settings (40 lbs in strike and higher in full drag) are so high that you would be pulled out of the cockpit if you were directly connected to the rod and reel with a harness and belt, thus the gear is fished from a swivel rod holder.

Because the rod can't be used to pull the fish back to the boat,since the rod is in the holder, the reel is used as a "winch" to retrieve the line under tension. It is common practice to assist the reel by pulling the line from the first eye toward the reel to take off some of the pressure on the reel.

You are in less danger fighting a tuna this way than you would be in fighting one on lighter stand-up gear. - tom

32 posted on 11/23/2011 8:50:10 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: Capt. Tom

That’s good info - thanks very much (and to the others posting answers as well). In the case of Marlins, I recognize that while they are fighters, they are also one-third the size of this monster tuna... so for me it was a question of sheer leverage.


33 posted on 11/23/2011 9:00:29 AM PST by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: alancarp
>>> Scratch that last bit: as soon as I saw some wikipedia entry claiming Blue Marlins sizes were only up to 300 lbs, I saw something else claiming they can reach one ton.

The internet is such a wonderfully definitive resource.

34 posted on 11/23/2011 9:03:19 AM PST by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: alancarp

The large BlueFin tuna are caught on a rod & reel(remember the tuna chair rod/reel set up on Jaws). They use heavy duty line and brass reels that cost thousands of dollars. This is a not your average fisherman that goes out for these fish. Think $300K + boats and going out 30-100 miles out into the ocean in the gulf stream. The season is very short and strictly controled.

If they hook onto one of these giants it can take 6-8 hours to tire it out enough to reel it close into the boat. Then they will tie it up along side of the boat and try to get back to shore asap. The price goes down if the fish is dead when the get to the dock.

I have been in Portsmouth, NH when they brought these into dock. The buyer was waiting for them at the end of the dock.
The price was negotiated right there and then loaded onto a truck and off to Logan airport it went. The captain was very happy when they gave him the check. His fish was about 200 #s.


35 posted on 11/23/2011 9:04:57 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: GlockThe Vote
Is there anything this ridiculous govt does not regulate to the bone?

Nope. And if the feds don't do it, the states and locals will discover a "loophole" that needs filling.

36 posted on 11/23/2011 6:19:13 PM PST by elkfersupper
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