Defkalion: “We have Rossi’s formula”

Ny Teknik ^ | Nov 29 2011 | Mats Lewan

[Moonman62]

This shows that a presumably respectable businessman and former government official (Gentile) has a long-term relationship with Rossi.

Whether this "legitimizes" Rossi is open to debate.

I think it delegitimizes Gentile, but you know me, moonboy seagull and all that.

[muawiyah]

It's the neighborhood.

Sometimes the body shop "hires in help" from other corporations ~ and you find out there's only one guy there ~ and he's incorporated. I think there's some of that in this arrangement.

LTI currently has about 14 "employees" and the contract is for $94 million per year. That's an awful lot of money per head. On the other hand they might be involved in moving hundreds of "executives" or "experts" in and out of various jobs or projects at DOE over the course of a year.

Rossi also has other business interests in Italy. They, in turn have other business interests in the United States. Some of them look like marketing ventures; others involve simple sales, and I have no idea where the marketing groups are for his import/export deals.

I'd really like to know what Rossi meant by mortgaging his house. if he has enough money to be involved in as much stuff as he seems to be that "house" must mean something more like "house of Rossi"!

See why we need someone fluent in Italian on top of this ~ Anybody seen Amanda Knox lately?

[muawiyah]

Regarding Jimmy Carter and the "permanent pass" there are numerous references on the net ~ none of them are at all reliable sources for finding stuff to prove Rossi is a crook.

On the other hand, the charge is that Rossi was accused of felonies and went to prison in Italy.

Then he somehow ended up in the United States ~ and only some of those "questionable sources" say he came here as an immigrant. Some say he simply came here!

So, he's here and ICE hasn't picked him up. He came here "way back when" with ease, and ICE didn't get him, and before that INS didn't lay a glove on him. He comes and goes at will.

No one seems to care YET there are as many references to him being a convicted felon as there are to him coming and going.

This leads to a logical problem ~ if he's just a visitor, he's still a felon and has to climb through his butt every time to get a visa. If he's an immigrant, we don't offer immigration to convicted felons. If he's got some sort of Presidential permanent pass, there'd be an answer eh!

At the same time he was fully exonerated of all charges in Italy ~ but that was AFTER he'd emigrated here (according to those sources) so is he perhaps a political refugee? He certainly runs with a heady crowd who could arrange that. But then, why would he return to visit Italy before he was exonerated?

The Mob could certainly get him in and out of Italy, but he's a fairly public guy. I doubt they're involved.

The conclusion is that Rossi really does have a pass.

If he does not have a pass how is it that he travels back and forth.

Then, what happened to all the property Italy confiscated? Did they give it back?

[muawiyah]

Moonman62, you’re slipping. I’ve been pointing out for WEEKS that Gentile and his crowd may not be as kosher as you’d want to believe ~ and once you realize that, Rossi looks to be only a small cog in a big wheel.

[Johnny B.]

Regarding Jimmy Carter and the "permanent pass" there are numerous references on the net

So I guess you don't have a credible source for that rumor. I've found all sorts of wonderful stuff about Rossi, but when I track it down, it turns out to be Rossi who's making the claims, and Rossi's shills (like Sterling Allan) spreading them around.

At the same time he was fully exonerated of all charges in Italy

Not according to the newspaper articles I've read.

Everyone talks about the toxic waste dumping that prompted one of Rossi's convictions, and was apparently reversed later.

However, I haven't read anything about him being acquitted on the other, unrelated convictions: fraud related to building a factory in southern Italy, fraud related to his gold shipping business that didn't actually ship any gold or the fraud conviction related to gutting a company on the verge of bankruptcy. That last one was interesting in that the paper reported that Rossi had been a fugitive in the United States for a year.

I know that Rossi and his shills have been spreading lots of statements that appear to be less than truthful, so I'm not accepting anything they say as the truth unless I can corroborate it from some other source.

[muawiyah]

He sure has a strange life if he's a well known fugitive. He makes public appearances in Italy quite regularly.

Now, regarding the pass, I didn't say any of the references were of the sort where you could use them to build the case that Rossi is a con. Obviously they are friendly. At the same time none of the anti-Rossi boards tell us what happened on appeal ~ WHICH as we learned recently in the Amanda Knox case appears to be a mandatory thing!

I did find ONE reference where the writer said "and he spent 8 years in prison" ~ but couldn't find another one. He, himself, is quoted as saying something had an 8 year sentence but we need a hard reference (from an independent source) to tell us if he actually served the sentence. Let's apply the same standard to that quote as you want to apply to the others.

If you are old enough you'll remember back in the beginning of EPA SuperFundEnforcement they charged a troop of Boy Scouts with being responsible for a Super Fund Site.

Used to be they used a tag team out standard where the last person or group to own, walk on, look at or ausfahrt in the direction of a Super Fund site could be sued to clean it up! EPA made some lifelong enemies with that sort of thing (I still hate their guts, and if one of them were crossing on a red and I had the green, well it'd be a real battle to put on the brakes) ~ although that's not the point here, I doubt the Italian government was any more advanced in its thinking about cleaning up Hazmat than our government was. Most of these guys swap ideas as well as legal standards of evidence.

If you look closely at the environmental charges against Rossi you find that he was considered part of a group of 5 ~ the others are even named ~ so if one of them committed anything egregious ALL of them got charged with it.

I believe Rossi says his involvement was misrepresented by the press and when we look at the record he was cleared on all counts! The same thing happened to the Boy Scout troop in the more famous American case. The James Bovard book that goes into this deeper is reviewed at: http://www.fff.org/freedom/0399d.asp

No doubt the Italians followed the leader!

All I can say is he's darned lucky he was not raising bunny rabbits ~ you get EPA and USDA on your tail.

[muawiyah]

One more item ~ convicted felons have a difficult time getting an immigration visa ~ so how did he immigrate?

[Johnny B.]

Interesting timing between the Army TE (ThermoElectric) project and some of his legal problems in Italy.

According to the Army document, Rossi was doing his work in early 2000, then after his factory burned down, he returned to Italy to continue his work there.

According to THIS article, Rossi was arrested just before 6/1/2000 (the date of the article). The article states that he had been a fugitive in the U.S. for a year, and that he had a return ticket for 6/5/2000. So it may be that his "plans to continue his work in Italy" were forced on him by the Italian police.

The article also mentions that this arrest was for "gutting" a company as it was going into bankruptcy, transferring all the assets out of the country.

The article also mentions that Rossi's conviction for dumping toxic waste had already been overturned at this point, so this arrest was a separate issue.

THIS article, from 10/20/2000, states that Rossi was sentenced for eight years for bankruptcy fraud.

THIS article, from 11/24/2004, states that Rossi was acquitted for toxic waste dumping charges. It specifically mentions that he was still awaiting appeal on his 2000 conviction for bankruptcy fraud.

So, based on everything I was able to dig up, there is no sign of Rossi being acquitted on that last, 8-year conviction.

[muawiyah]

Obviously a problem digging into Italian judicial records ~ I didn’t have any luck either. Bet Amanda could help us with this. Maybe someone should approach her about joining FR. She had a lot of friends here.

[CodeToad]

Rossi has shown he is not legitimate in the past and all this corporate shuffling, and the fact that he is operating a corporate entity out of a 5th floor apartment in Miami Beach, says he is not legitimate now. I’ve been in business for decades and have worked with hundreds of companies...none out of an apartment, especially not one claiming to be a mutlimillion dollar business.

[Kevmo]

That is a bit different, “not really know” versus “could be an exaggeration”.

So let’s have round & round of back & forth nonsense over such a small nit, shall we?

[Johnny B.]

Review post 108. It's clear that Rossi's 8-year conviction for bankruptcy fraud came after his conviction for toxic waste dumping was overturned.