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Tom Brokaw: President Clinton Thought Saddam Hussein Had WMD
Newsbusters ^ | December 15, 2011 | 06:53 | By Brad Wilmouth

Posted on 12/15/2011 12:30:38 PM PST by DBCJR

...Tom Brokaw recounted some of the rationale behind why the Bush administration believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction before the invasion of Iraq, even noting that President Clinton had also believed in the presense of WMD.

Brokaw related evidence that the Iraqi dictator had tried to deceive Iran into believing he possessed WMD, and noted that the people of Iraq lived in "sheer terror" and were afraid to talk to the NBC anchor when he visited the country during Saddam Hussein's reign.

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KEYWORDS: brokaw; brokejaw; clinton; iraq; tombrokaw; wmds
If we were "lied" to about WMDs, the lying started during the Clinton years with him, and much of the Democratic leadership, and remained consistent through the Bush years. Or, maybe it was just the best intel we had based on the fact Saddam was trying to bluff Iran. Or, maybe they went to Syria along with the Oil for Food Scandal money.
1 posted on 12/15/2011 12:30:42 PM PST by DBCJR
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To: DBCJR

Notice how MSM brings this out WAY after Bush is done and gone. I hate that the bad guys have the microphone.


2 posted on 12/15/2011 12:34:51 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: DBCJR

I don’t think there is a question of whether he had them, but what happened to them. You should see the spin job Al Jazeera is putting on the who thing. One would think it was a garden of eden there before the invasion. Even an Iraqi official was trying to set them straight about how life is better now overall there, but they still kept spinning.


3 posted on 12/15/2011 12:36:37 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: DonaldC

Must be their version of the Democratic Party.


4 posted on 12/15/2011 12:38:37 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: DBCJR
Saddam Hussein's Weapons of Mass Destruction

The following are in chronological order from various sources.

In 1982 under Ronald Reagan and during the Iran/Iraq war, the U.S. decided to help Iraq (and Saddam Hussein) win their war with Iran. So in the early 80's, Iraq was our friend. A few years later (late 80's), Saddam Hussein used weapons of mass destruction on his own Kurdish people.

From 1990 to 1991, a U.S. led coalition force of 34 nations (authorized by the U.N.) took on Iraqi forces to liberate Kuwait. This was termed the Gulf War.

From PBS:

At the end of the Gulf War, Saddam Hussein and his elite military units were still in power and in possession of huge stockpiles of deadly weapons. In April 1991, the U.N. Security Council created UNSCOM, a special commission to find and dismantle this arsenal. The U.N. imposed economic sanctions on Iraq that would be enforced until the country eliminated all nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons capability.

Two agencies were charged with the task. UNSCOM would uncover and destroy Iraq's biological- and chemical-weapons and ballistic-missile programs; the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was charged with uncovering and dismantling Iraq's clandestine nuclear program.

From 1991 to 1998 UNSCOM and IAEA carried out numerous inspections in Iraq, but with varying degrees of success.

For the first few years, Iraqi officials failed to disclose much of their special weapons programs to the inspectors. In 1995, Saddam Hussein's son-in-law Kamel Hussein defected. He had been in charge of the bioweapons program and revealed to UNSCOM that there was a vast arsenal of weapons they had failed to uncover, including biological weapons, and described how the Iraqis were hiding them. This was a breakthrough for the inspection teams, and they continued their work until 1998, when Iraq blocked further access and expelled UNSCOM.

There's more here.

One to two years before President George W. Bush won the 2000 election, prominent Democrats made some harsh comments about Iraq, Saddam Hussein and his WMDs.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."

President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."

Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."

Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."

Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

George W. Bush was elected President in 2000. Near the end of 2001, Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri fabricated a story about Saddams WMD and relayed this story to U.S. Officials. From 2000-2003, the following comments in regards to Saddam Hussein and his WMDs were made by leading Democrats.

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."

Letter to President Bush, Signed by Joe Lieberman (D-CT), John McCain (Rino-AZ) and others, Dec. 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."

Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."

Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."

Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"

Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002.

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."

Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002.

"[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

According to Fox News in 2006, approximately 500 munitions of sarin gas were found (2003-2006). The declassified report can be found here.

From the above article:

Santorum pointed out that during Wednesday's debate, several Senate Democrats said that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, a claim, he said, that the declassified document proves is untrue. "This is an incredibly, in my mind, significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false," he said.

With the Fox news article and the declassified report, it appears going to war with Iraq could be justified for humanitarian reasons alone, plus the fact that approximately 500 munitions were found in Iraq and some WMDs could have been moved.

Is it possible Saddam Hussein was fooled by scientists scared to death of him and the Baath Party? Did Saddam run one of military history's most successful deception operations? If he did the latter, why would he would risk the toppling of his regime, his death or capture, over non-existent WMDs? Considering everything above, one plausible explanation is that WMD stockpiles did in fact exist, but that some were hidden and/or moved to Syria.

Some have said the case for war was not that there were WMDs. Rather, they say the case for war was that Iraq was not complying with the inspections and Saddam might have had WMDs. Also, our colition force allies had a positive belief that Saddam did have WMDs. The fact that Saddam might have had them and was not complying with inspections is good enough reason for the war. Even if everybody knew Saddam had no WMDs, justifying the Iraq war for humanitarian reasons is understandable by some.

According to a 2005 Newsmax article, Moscow moved Iraqi WMD to Syria and Lebanon. From the above article:

Shaw's assertions match the information provided by U.S. military forces that satellite surveillance showed extensive large-vehicle traffic crossing the Syrian border prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Also: 500 Tons of Uranium Yellowcake Secretly Moved From Iraq to Canada


5 posted on 12/15/2011 12:42:57 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: DBCJR

It is entirely possible that no one lied, the Democrats or the Republicans - at least, not about WMDs. Semi trucks were seen on satellite camera running to Syria up and until time we entered Bagdad. When we got there they were backed up to the Central Bank with pallets of US $100 bills stacked in them (most likely from the Oil for Food Scandal). It is entirely possible that WMDs could have made that same trip and are waiting for us there.


6 posted on 12/15/2011 12:46:22 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: DBCJR

Well duh. Of course Saddam had WMD. Everyone, both GOP and dem, knew it. We’re so damn stupid that we gave him enough time to relocate them.


7 posted on 12/15/2011 12:48:50 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: DBCJR

Tom is right on top of the breaking news isn’t he?


8 posted on 12/15/2011 12:51:34 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: DBCJR

How soon people forget!

On December 16, 1998, on the eve of the scheduled House vote on his impeachment, Bill Clinton launched a surprise bombing attack on Baghdad. As justification for this exploit, he cited the urgent threat that Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction posed to America, and the need for immediate action.

Almost immediately, the House Democrats held a caucus and emerged calling for a delay in the impeachment proceedings. House minority leader Dick Gephardt made a statement: “We obviously should pass a resolution by saying that we stand behind the troops. I would hope that we do not take up impeachment until the hostilities have completely ended.”

Conveniently, a delay so near the end of the House term would have caused the vote to be taken up in the next session – when the newly elected House membership would be seated with more Democratic representation, thereby improving Clinton’s chances of dodging impeachment.

The Republicans did, in fact, agree to delay the hearings, but only for a day or two. Amazingly, Clinton ended the bombing raid after only 70 hours — once it became clear that in spite of the brief delay, the vote would still be held in the current session.

Once the bombing stopped, Clinton touted the effectiveness and importance of the mission. As reported by ABC News : “We have inflicted significant damage on Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction programs, on the command structures that direct and protect that capability, and on his military and security infrastructure,” he said. Defense secretary William Cohen echoed the point: “We estimate that Saddam’s missile program has been set back by at least a year.”

Whether or not one buys Clinton’s assessment of that mission, it is difficult to believe that its timing was so critical that it required commencement virtually at the moment the House was scheduled to vote on the impeachment. I think the most reasonable conclusion is that Clinton cynically deployed US military assets and placed military personnel in harm’s way for purely political reasons.


9 posted on 12/15/2011 12:52:24 PM PST by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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To: MayflowerMadam
The question is not whether Saddam had WMD’s - he did. The Question is where they went.

We don't need to worry about finding Saddam's missing WMD’s - eventually they will find us.

10 posted on 12/15/2011 12:52:35 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: DBCJR

It’s safe for Brokaw to be honest and upfront now. The political coast is clear. Bush is gone.

Brokaw refused to acknowledge this fact while Bush was in office because this might have helped Bush and Brokaw and Co. would never have allowed that. Bush is gone, now Brokaw can talk about the facts as Conservative have long known.


11 posted on 12/15/2011 12:58:26 PM PST by Obadiah (Obama's America: His Own Private Venezuela)
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To: DBCJR

This, of course, is not news. Clinton was on record, wasn’t he? As well as many members of his administration.

I recall using their quotes during the debate...


12 posted on 12/15/2011 1:06:27 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: DBCJR

Who Thought Iraq Had WMD [and deserved US military intervention]?

Clinton Secretary of State Madeline Albright, February 1998: Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.

Clinton National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, February 1998: He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.

Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Manuel Durao Barroso, October 2003: When [former President Bill] Clinton was here recently he told me was absolutely convinced, given his years in the White House and the access to privileged information which he had, that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction until the end of the Saddam regime.

Read on . . .

French President Jacques Chirac, February 2003: There is a problem the probable possession of weapons of mass destruction by an uncontrollable country, Iraq. The international community is right...in having decided Iraq should be disarmed.

President Bill Clinton, December 1998: Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq. I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again. Clinton, July 2003: [I]t is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons. We might have destroyed them in 98. We tried to, but we sure as heck didn't?t know it because we never got to go back there.

General Wesley Clark, September 2002, testimony before the House Armed Services Committee: There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat.Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons.He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't?t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.

Former Vermont governor Howard Dean [D], September 2002: There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat to the United States and to our allies. Dean, February 2003: I agree with President Bush he has said that Saddam Hussein is evil. And he is. [Hussein] is a vicious dictator and a documented deceiver. He has invaded his neighbors, used chemical arms, and failed to account for all the chemical and biological weapons he had before the Gulf War. He has murdered dissidents, and refused to comply with his obligations under U.N. Security Council Resolutions. And he has tried to build a nuclear bomb. Anyone who believes in the importance of limiting the spread of weapons of mass killing, the value of democracy, and the centrality of human rights must agree that Saddam Hussein is a menace. The world would be a better place if he were in a different place other than the seat of power in Baghdad or any other country. So I want to be clear. Saddam Hussein must disarm. This is not a debate; it is a given. Dean, March 2003: [Iraq] is automatically an imminent threat to the countries that surround it because of the possession of these weapons.

Former Clinton assistant secretary of state for nonproliferation Robert Einhorn, March 2002: How close is the peril of Iraqi WMD Today, or at most within a few months, Iraq could launch missile attacks with chemical or biological weapons against its neighbors (albeit attacks that would be ragged, inaccurate, and limited in size). Within four or five years it could have the capability to threaten most of the Middle East and parts of Europe with missiles armed with nuclear weapons containing fissile material produced indigenously?and to threaten U.S. territory with such weapons delivered by nonconventional means, such as commercial shipping containers. If it managed to get its hands on sufficient quantities of already produced fissile material, these threats could arrive much sooner.

Senator Bob Graham [D-Florida] and others, in a letter to President Bush, December 2001: There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs.In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.

Representative Nancy Pelosi [D-Calif.], December 1998: Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.

Senator John Rockefeller [D-W. Virginia], ranking minority member of the Intelligence Committee, October 2002: There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years.We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.

13 posted on 12/15/2011 1:36:13 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: scripter

bfl


14 posted on 12/15/2011 1:37:24 PM PST by Currentriverrat (People are calling our President the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, that's not allowed is it?)
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To: DonaldC
I don’t think there is a question of whether he had them, but what happened to them.

Of course, he had them and used a few on his own people. The question of what happened to them is they were quickly shipped out to his neighbors, like Syria. Colin Powell tried to tell us but was poo-pooed by the msm.

15 posted on 12/15/2011 1:39:30 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: MayflowerMadam
We’re so damn stupid that we gave him enough time to relocate them.

Exactly and there was very little shock or awe.

16 posted on 12/15/2011 1:42:06 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: scripter
A few years later (late 80's), Saddam Hussein used weapons of mass destruction on his own Kurdish people.

If I didn't believe these peoples' lies back when they said them, why should I start believing them now?

Perhaps we should also believe Hill & Knowlton's lies about the Iraqi army dumping the premature babies out of incubators in Kuwaiti hospitals? (see: How PR Sold the War in the Persian Gulf)

17 posted on 12/15/2011 1:49:32 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: DBCJR

Somebody ask one of the blinded Iranians whether the chemical weapons were fake or real.

As to where they went, do we believe WiliLeaks? If so, they were buried.


18 posted on 12/15/2011 1:51:40 PM PST by firebrand (It's almost too late.)
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To: firebrand
Somebody ask one of the blinded Iranians whether the chemical weapons were fake or real.

As to where they went, do we believe WiliLeaks? If so, they were buried.

We've had dozens of soldiers (EOD and SF) who have been injured by chemical attacks from IED's. There is a ton of info in the SEAL Target Geronimo book. The author also mentions WikiLeaks as including a lot of information on the WMD's and that this had bee purposely ignored by the media.

19 posted on 12/15/2011 2:03:57 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Currentriverrat
bfl

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20 posted on 12/15/2011 2:11:57 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Who's lies?

My post quotes numerous democrats on the subject of WMD.

21 posted on 12/15/2011 2:13:54 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Who Thought Iraq Had WMD [and deserved US military intervention]?

When did these Democrats start telling the truth?

If I didn't believe their lies back then, why should I start believing them now?

22 posted on 12/15/2011 2:14:03 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: DBCJR

We did not even find some of the weapons that were identified after Desert Storm, so where is it? I believe a lot of the WMDs were shipped out of the country prior to the OIF invasion.


23 posted on 12/15/2011 2:15:42 PM PST by fini
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To: scripter
My post quotes numerous democrats on the subject of WMD.

Yes. Those honest Democrats. Why would they lie?

Do you also believe the stories about Iraqi soldiers dumping Kuwaiti infants from their incubators?

24 posted on 12/15/2011 2:16:38 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Yes, they fell into al Qaeda’s hands. That was one of the most shocking revelations in the book. A beautiful story of courage as well, as the two soldiers in his story watched out for each other at great personal risk. How anyone can go on ignoring the evidence at this point is beyond me.


25 posted on 12/15/2011 2:16:54 PM PST by firebrand (It's almost too late.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
These Kurds didn't think Saddam Hussein was lying about having nerve gas.
26 posted on 12/15/2011 2:18:41 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: DBCJR

Everyone ‘thought’ well except the inspectors who actually looked.


27 posted on 12/15/2011 2:19:19 PM PST by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: scripter

Shorthand for self-ping bookmarking.....Bump For Later


28 posted on 12/15/2011 2:26:30 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Obama Voters: Jose Baez wants YOU for his next jury pool.......)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
The post wasn't demonstrating the truth or lies of the statements. Rather the post demonstrated what leading democrats said at the time.

I put all that information together because my liberal friends denied their democrat leaders ever claimed WMD existed.

Perhaps the Ol' in your screen name implies you're too f'ing stupid to understand the context of the original article because you're way f'ing off base. Now go back to being an asshole.

29 posted on 12/15/2011 2:26:37 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: ErnBatavia

Thanks. I actually Googled it hoping to find what it meant.


30 posted on 12/15/2011 2:27:36 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: allmendream
These Kurds didn't think Saddam Hussein was lying about having nerve gas.

If Hussein was insane why did the Reagan Administration sell the nerve gas in the first place?

31 posted on 12/15/2011 3:47:36 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

You are insane and a liar to boot. Reagan never gave VX to Iraqi
s dipsh6t.


32 posted on 12/15/2011 4:04:49 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Thanks for the post!


33 posted on 12/15/2011 4:09:05 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: scripter
The post wasn't demonstrating the truth or lies of the statements. Rather the post demonstrated what leading democrats said at the time.

The post also didn't attempt to verify the veracity of what they were saying. Instead, like the useful idiots occupying the democrap party, you breathlessly repeated them.

Since you're a lover of Democrap quotes, how about adding this to your list of "honest" Democraps:

"The Duelfer report is yet another example that there really are two Americas," said Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif. "There's the one that exists in the Bush fantasy world, and then there's the real America. In the Bush fantasy world, they still claim that Iraq was an imminent threat with weapons of mass destruction."

In 2002, Bush described the Iraq threat saying, "It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons."

He also said, "We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."

And, "Iraq possesses ballistic missiles with a likely range of hundreds of miles — far enough to strike Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey and other nations — in a region where more than 135,000 American civilians and service members live and work."

I also notice there's no quotes from the Duelfer report:

In his report, Duelfer concluded that Saddam's Iraq had no stockpiles of the banned weapons.

"It appears that he did not vigorously pursue those programs after the inspectors left," a U.S. official said on condition of anonymity, ahead of the report's Wednesday afternoon release by the CIA.

U.S. officials also said the report shows Saddam was much farther away from a nuclear weapons program in 2003 than he was between 1991 and 1993; there is no evidence that Iraq and Al Qaeda exchanged weapons; and there is no evidence that Al Qaeda and Iraq shared information, technology or personnel in developing weapons.

Lastly, why not quote directly from your he-ro Bush, himself?

President George W. Bush: "The main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't."

Perhaps the Ol' in your screen name implies you're too f'ing stupid to understand the context of the original article because you're way f'ing off base. Now go back to being an asshole.

I'm not the one uncritically quoting the lies of Democraps and left-wing propaganda organs like PBS. Only useful idiots or just plain ol' idiots, like yourself, do that.

34 posted on 12/15/2011 4:27:12 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I didn’t finish reading your post as I see you’re back to being an asshole as you misrepresent and try to put words in my mouth. I can only hope you have a shorter life for being such an ass. Farewell, asshole.


35 posted on 12/15/2011 4:34:35 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: DBCJR

Good grief, Saddam ADMITTED to having WMD. He even documented the types and quantities. He signed an agreement attesting to that and agreeing to full disclosure in disposing of those WMD.


36 posted on 12/15/2011 4:40:12 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

I read a lot about WMD but I never heard Saddam admitted to having WMD. From everything I have read it appears obvious he had WMD. Do you have a source for Saddam admitting it? A cursory search didn’t find anything.


37 posted on 12/15/2011 4:44:15 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: DBCJR
Tom Brokaw: President Clinton Thought Saddam Hussein Had WMD

True, but he thought it was an STD.

38 posted on 12/15/2011 4:47:01 PM PST by x
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

They didn’t. It was French. An American company that sold a possible precursor was prosecuted.

Nice revisionist history slam on Reagan, too bad you don’t have any actual evidence to back it up.


39 posted on 12/15/2011 4:51:46 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: scripter
UN Resolution 687

There is an itemized list somewhere. I will try to find it.

40 posted on 12/15/2011 4:57:51 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: jwalsh07
Reagan never gave VX to Iraqi

As a 1990 report prepared for the Pentagon by the Strategic Studies Institute of the US War College admitted: "Throughout the [Iran-Iraq] war the United States practised a fairly benign policy toward Iraq... [Washington and Baghdad] wanted to restore the status quo ante ... that prevailed before [the 1979 Iranian revolution] began threatening the regional balance of power. Khomeini's revolutionary appeal was anathema to both Baghdad and Washington; hence they wanted to get rid of him. United by a common interest ... the [US] began to actively assist Iraq."

In March 1981, US Secretary of State Alexander Haig excitedly told the Senate foreign relations committee that Iraq was concerned by "the behaviour of Soviet imperialism in the Middle Eastern region". The Soviet government had refused to deliver arms to Iraq as long as Baghdad continued its military offensive against Iran. Moscow was also unhappy with the Hussein's vicious repression of the Iraqi Communist Party.

Using its allies in the Middle East, Washington funnelled huge supplies of arms to Iraq. Classified State Department cables uncovered by Frantz and Waas described covert transfers of howitzers, helicopters, bombs and other weapons to Baghdad in 1982-83 from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Kuwait.

Howard Teicher, who monitored Middle East policy at the US National Security Council during the Reagan administration, told the February 23, 1992, LA Times: "There was a conscious effort to encourage third countries to ship US arms or acquiesce in shipments after the fact. It was a policy of nods and winks."

According to Mark Phythian's 1997 book Arming Iraq: How the US and Britain Secretly Built Saddam's War Machine (Northeastern University Press), in 1983 Reagan asked Italy's Prime Minister Guilo Andreotti to channel arms to Iraq.

The January 1, 1984 Washington Post reported that the US had "informed friendly Persian Gulf nations that the defeat of Iraq in the three-year-old war with Iran would be 'contrary to US interests' and has made several moves to prevent that result".

Central to these "moves" was the cementing of a military and political alliance with Saddam Hussein's repressive regime, so as to build up Iraq as a military counterweight to Iran. In 1982, the Reagan administration removed Iraq from the State Department's list of countries that allegedly supported terrorism. On December 19-20, 1983, Reagan dispatched his Middle East envoy — none other than Donald Rumsfeld — to Baghdad with a hand-written offer of a resumption of diplomatic relations, which had been severed during the 1967 Arab-Israel war. On March 24, 1984, Rumsfeld was again in Baghdad.

On that same day, the UPI wire service reported from the UN: "Mustard gas laced with a nerve agent has been used on Iranian soldiers ... a team of UN experts has concluded ... Meanwhile, in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad, US presidential envoy Donald Rumsfeld held talks with foreign minister Tariq Aziz."

1983: With Reagan’s Approval, US Allies Supply Iraq with Weapons to Use against Iran
Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt supply Iraq with US howitzers, helicopters, bombs, and other weapons with the secret approval of the Reagan administration. [New Yorker, 11/2/1992; Phythian, 1997, pp. 35] Italy also funnels arms to Iraq at the insistence of President Reagan who personally made the request to Prime Minister Guilio Andreotti. [Friedman, 1993, pp. 51-54; Phythian, 1997, pp. 36]

1983: Reagan Administration Approves Helicopter Sale to Iraq
The Reagan administration approves the sale of 60 civilian Hughes helicopters to Iraq, even though it is widely understood that the helicopters can be weaponized with little effort. Critics will regard the sale as military aid cloaked as civilian assistance. [Phythian, 1997, pp. 37-38]

1983: NSC Approves Sale of Helicopters to Iraq; Later Used in Poison Gas Deployment
Secretary of Commerce Howard Baldridge and Secretary of State George Shultz successfully lobby the National Security Council (NSC) adviser to approve the sale of 10 Bell helicopters to Iraq in spite of objections from other NSC members. It is claimed that the helicopters will be used for crop spraying. These same helicopters are later used in 1988 to deploy poison gas against Iranians and possibly Iraqi Kurds (see March 1988). [Washington Post, 3/11/1991; Phythian, 1997, pp. 37-38]

1983: Iraq Increases Chemical Bombardment of Iran
Iraq’s use of chemical weapons against Iran increases significantly. The US is informed of Iraq’s use of chemical weapons toward the end of the year. [Shultz, 1993, pp. 238; Jentleson, 1994, pp. 48; Cole, 1997, pp. 87]

1983: Iran Shows Photos of Chemical Weapons Victims to UN
Iranian diplomats bring photographs to the United Nations and several national capitals showing the swollen, blistered and burned bodies of injured and dead Iranians who have been victims of Iraqi chemical attacks. [New York Times, 2/13/2003]

April 12, 1983: Iraq Threatens Iran with ‘New’ and Morally Objectionable Weapons
Iraq warns Iran of “new weapons… [to] be used for the first time in war… not used in previous attacks because of humanitarian and ethical reasons… that will destroy any moving creature.” [US Department of State, 11/1/1983 ]

July 1983-August 1983: Iraq Uses Chemical Weapons against Iranians and Kurdish Insurgents
Iraq uses “a chemical agent with lethal effects against… Iranian forces invading Iraq at Haj Umran…” [US Department of State, 11/21/1983 ; Central Intelligence Agency,

October 21, 1983: Iraq Attacks Iranian Village with Chemical Weapon
An Iraqi warplane drops a chemical bomb near the Iranian village of Bademjan. Iranian ambassador Said Rajaie Khorassani claims, ”]A white fume spread in the area causing severe skin injuries and several cases of loss of eyesight among people in the vicinity and 11 people lost their lives.” [Vallette, 3/24/2003]

November 1, 1983: State Department Warned Iraq Using Chemical Weapons ‘Almost Daily’
US State Department official Jonathan T. Howe tells Secretary of State George P. Shultz that intelligence reports indicate that Saddam Hussein’s troops are resorting to “almost daily use of CW [Chemical Weapons]” against their Iranian adversaries. [US Department of State, 11/1/1983 ; Washington Post, 12/30/2002; London Times, 12/31/2002]

Weapons Production
US State Department official Jonathan T. Howe sends Secretary of Defense Lawrence Eagleburger a memo reporting that US intelligence has determined that “Iraq has acquired a CW [chemical weapons] production capability, primarily from Western firms, including possibly a US foreign subsidiary” and that Iraq has used chemical weapons against Iranian forces and Kurdish insurgents. Referring to the US policy “of seeking a halt to CW use wherever it occurs,” Howe says the US is “considering” approaching Iraq directly, but in a way that avoids playing “into Iran’s hands by fueling its propaganda against Iraq.” Significantly, the memo acknowledges that the US has so far limited its “efforts against the Iraqi CW program to close monitoring because of our strict neutrality in the Gulf war, the sensitivity of sources, and the low probability of achieving desired results.” [US Department of State, 11/1/1983 ]


How Did Iraq Get Its WMD? - We Sold Them To Saddam
By Neil Mackay and Felicity Arbuthnot The Sunday Herald - UK 9-6-2

The US and Britain sold Saddam Hussein the technology and materials Iraq needed to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction.

Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.

Classified US Defence Department documents also seen by the Sunday Herald show that Britain sold Iraq the drug pralidoxine, an antidote to nerve gas, in March 1992, after the end of the Gulf war. Pralidoxine can be reverse engineered to create nerve gas.

The Senate committee's rep orts on 'US Chemical and Biological Warfare-Related Dual-Use Exports to Iraq', undertaken in 1992 in the wake of the Gulf war, give the date and destination of all US exports. The reports show, for example, that on May 2, 1986, two batches of bacillus anthracis -- the micro-organism that causes anthrax -- were shipped to the Iraqi Ministry of Higher Education, along with two batches of the bacterium clostridium botulinum, the agent that causes deadly botulism poisoning.

One batch each of salmonella and E coli were shipped to the Iraqi State Company for Drug Industries on August 31, 1987. Other shipments went from the US to the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission on July 11, 1988; the Department of Biology at the University of Basrah in November 1989; the Department of Microbiology at Baghdad University in June 1985; the Ministry of Health in April 1985 and Officers' City, a military complex in Baghdad, in March and April 1986.

The shipments to Iraq went on even after Saddam Hussein ordered the gassing of the Kurdish town of Halabja, in which at least 5000 men, women and children died. The atrocity, which shocked the world, took place in March 1988, but a month later the components and materials of weapons of mass destruction were continuing to arrive in Baghdad from the US.

The Senate report also makes clear that: 'The United States provided the government of Iraq with 'dual use' licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system programmes.'

This assistance, according to the report, included 'chemical warfare-agent precursors, chemical warfare-agent production facility plans and technical drawings, chemical warfare filling equipment, biological warfare-related materials, missile fabrication equipment and missile system guidance equipment'.

Donald Riegle, then chairman of the committee, said: 'UN inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licences issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programmes.'

Riegle added that, between January 1985 and August 1990, the 'executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licences for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record'.

It is thought the information contained in the Senate committee reports is likely to make up much of the 'evidence of proof' that Bush and Blair will reveal in the coming days to justify the US and Britain going to war with Iraq. It is unlikely, however, that the two leaders will admit it was the Western powers that armed Saddam with these weapons of mass destruction.

41 posted on 12/15/2011 5:00:07 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: scripter
I didn’t finish reading your post as I see you’re back to being an asshole as you misrepresent and try to put words in my mouth. I can only hope you have a shorter life for being such an ass. Farewell, asshole.

Spoken like a true democrap lick-spittle.

42 posted on 12/15/2011 5:03:05 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Life is short. My time is valuable. Pull your head out of yourself.


43 posted on 12/15/2011 5:05:09 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Well now you are insane, a liar and in dire need of a shower for consorting with these loons listed as authors, none of whom even claimed that US shipped nerve gas to Iraq. You should be ashamed of yourself but I am somehow sure you are not.


44 posted on 12/15/2011 5:12:24 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: scripter
Life is short. My time is valuable. Pull your head out of yourself.

Physician, heal thyself.

45 posted on 12/15/2011 5:18:25 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
I called you an asshole because, well, you are an asshole. I've verified everything in the thread you seem to have such a problem with. You've misrepresented my position, offered no evidence to the contrary and tried to put words in my mouth.

Others on the thread have called you a liar, insane, a history revisionist and more.

Perhaps we're all wrong. Perhaps we're not and you're everything stated above.

46 posted on 12/15/2011 5:42:22 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: x

Cute


47 posted on 12/15/2011 5:46:26 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Gore and the Clintons, among other prominent Demwits, all made the same kinds of accusations and statements about Saddam Hussein’s use of chemical WMDs and quest for nukes (which is documented). Thanks DBCJR.


48 posted on 12/23/2011 5:51:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Note: this topic is from December 15, 2011. Thanks DBCJR. May be a re-ping. Gosh, maybe Clinton or Brokaw, just misspoke.

49 posted on 11/03/2013 8:18:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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