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Vivid new Battle of the Bulge photos offer never-before-seen look....
Dailymail ^ | 12-17-11

Posted on 12/17/2011 5:48:40 PM PST by InvisibleChurch

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To: InvisibleChurch
Thank you for posting.

We easily forget what it cost others to keep us free.

51 posted on 12/17/2011 6:48:21 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: adorno

Those are original color photos alright. Color photos of the Second World War really brings it home in a away black and white just doesn’t. I’ve seen a few of these photos before. I’ve had the honor of getting to know a number of men who survived the Bulge and they all said to a man how God awful bloody cold it was. One vet I knew(he passed away some years ago) had a buddy in his outfit moved to Florida just so he’d never have to be so cold again. Can you believe that!?!


52 posted on 12/17/2011 6:50:01 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

It’s NOT silly. I hope one day after much patience and viewing of BOB that you WILL see your dad. I will pray that you do and if you ever do.. you will have to come back to FR and let us all know. Merry Christmas and thanks to our father for his service.


53 posted on 12/17/2011 6:50:46 PM PST by cubreporter ( sh Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
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To: jmacusa

I keep hearing how cold it was (and certainly that it was cold is not in dispute). But how cold was it? And for how long? I’m wondering about the stats . . . anyone have them?


54 posted on 12/17/2011 6:53:29 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: big'ol_freeper

‘’Those tears were tears of relief’’< Damn right they were. That little s.o.b. knew damn well if the Russians had gotten him he wouldn’t have lived to be sixteen.


55 posted on 12/17/2011 6:54:17 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: momtothree

When he was a kid he could come inside to get warm and a hot drink. Quite a difference from war and winter at home. I hope he found himself a nice island or state where the sun always shone. God bless him.


56 posted on 12/17/2011 6:55:09 PM PST by cubreporter ( sh Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
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To: momtothree

When he was a kid he could come inside to get warm and a hot drink. Quite a difference from war and winter at home. I hope he found himself a nice island or state where the sun always shone. God bless him.


57 posted on 12/17/2011 6:55:09 PM PST by cubreporter ( sh Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
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To: Happy Rain

It’s an M-10 Tank Destroyer. The M-26 wasn’t deployed until the last two months of the war.


58 posted on 12/17/2011 6:56:44 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: bravo whiskey

It’s an M-10 Tank Destroyer.


59 posted on 12/17/2011 6:58:32 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

My dad flew air support for the Battle of the Bulge and spent that winter sleeping in a tent in the snow of northern France. He hated cold till the day he died.

As hellish hot as Texas gets in the summer, he never minded the heat, but winter cold bothered him the rest of his life.

He and his men won a Presidential Unit Citation for their efforts. They and their buddies came home and left the horrors and hardship behind, never demanded the respect they were due and often didn’t talk about what they did.

I miss him every day.


60 posted on 12/17/2011 6:59:45 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: fso301
These pic's aren't new.

I was going to say that I've seen many of these pictures before. I've got a lot of books about the Ardennes in my library and most of these pictures are in those books.

61 posted on 12/17/2011 7:00:09 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
I just finished The Storm of War by Andrew Roberts, and I wanted to post this fantastic quote, although it is about the Eastern Front. It was written by Curzio Malaparte in 1948, in a book, Kaputt:

"The winning war was over, the losing war had begun. I saw the white stain of fear growing in the dull eyes of German officers and soldiers...When Germans become afraid, when that mysterious German fear begins to creep into their bones, they always arouse a special horror and pity. Their appearance is miserable, their cruelty sad, their courage silent and hopeless. That is when the Germans become wicked."

62 posted on 12/17/2011 7:01:49 PM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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Initial thread post has been sent off to my Dad.

My Grandfather was a tank battalion commander captured at Stalingrad. Grandma was notified by Soviet Miliary Attache that her husband no longer had the oxygen habit in ‘53 (or so - she didn’t remember when exactly).


63 posted on 12/17/2011 7:02:25 PM PST by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks for the ping. Awesome pictures.


64 posted on 12/17/2011 7:03:10 PM PST by CougarGA7 ("History is politics projected into the past" - Michael Pokrovski)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Or Von Rundstedt.


65 posted on 12/17/2011 7:13:09 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: 1rudeboy

You can research US Army records for the time in the Ardennes as well as Belgium archives concerning conditions in the country at the time. To that particularly I’m not sure as to a link how however The Weather Channel(weatherchannel.com) has a documentary series called ‘How The Weather Changed History and I know they did one of weather conditions during The Bulge. It was one of Western Europe’s coldest and snowiest winter in almost eighty years up to that time. Temps ranged as low as minus 20 below. That area of western Europe typically has cold, cloudy and rainy autumns and harsh winters. In fact German General Walhter Model who was given the task by Hitler of planning the attack complained to his aides “H[e] want’s me to make an attack in the Ardennes where it snows all the time, it doesn’t get light until 7 and it’s dark at three in the afternoon!’’.


66 posted on 12/17/2011 7:13:52 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Guenevere

My dad was in the CBI (China/Burma/India)


My Dad was also in CBI .He would be 94 now.

FReeper Extexasredhead’s Dad was in CBI, Too.


67 posted on 12/17/2011 7:17:26 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Deserves a bookmark


68 posted on 12/17/2011 7:21:51 PM PST by mel (There are only 2 races decent and undecent people)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Deserves a bookmark


69 posted on 12/17/2011 7:22:05 PM PST by mel (There are only 2 races decent and undecent people)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Deserves a bookmark


70 posted on 12/17/2011 7:22:15 PM PST by mel (There are only 2 races decent and undecent people)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Fantastic!


71 posted on 12/17/2011 7:23:15 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Jedidah

God Bless him. Did he served with the 9th. Tactical Air Force? I knew a vet who flew a P-47 Thunderbolt providing support for ‘’the ground pounders.’’ He told me they had to light fires under the engines to keep the oil pans and oil pumps from freezing. Funny, now that you mention it a number of these men who saw combat in the Bulge would tell me about the cold and they’d do a quick kind of hunch of their shoulders as if to emphasize the point. I wonder if they were even aware they were doing it. God bless them.


72 posted on 12/17/2011 7:23:36 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

I heard Mel Brooks interviewed once and he was asked about the Battle of the Bulge, which he fought in. He laughed and said, “Oh, it was so loud. You couldn’t even read a newspaper.”


73 posted on 12/17/2011 7:25:11 PM PST by eartrumpet
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To: cripplecreek

My grandfathers soldier brother lost his life at the Battle of the Bulge.


74 posted on 12/17/2011 7:26:15 PM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: momtothree

A guy I served with in Iraq has a grandfather who was an Ardennes veteran. To this day he won’t even have ice in his drinks. He said his grandfather told him, “You can’t know how miserable we were out there.”

Interestingly, his grandfather also told him that he’d rather fight a WWII-style war than what we fought in Iraq any day of the week. The IEDs and all that sucked, but I’d take that over artillery barrages and armored charges any day of the week.


75 posted on 12/17/2011 7:28:30 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
They are better men than me.

They were remarkable men. This nation did not honor them near enough, in my humble opinion.

76 posted on 12/17/2011 7:28:43 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Fantastic photos and quite a difference from the grainy black and white photos we are used to seeing from that era.

It's a shame that cameras were not invented much earlier. It would have been nice to see photos of the American revolution or photos of the Middle Ages. Hell, imagine having photographs of the ancient civilizations of Rome and Greece? That would be awesome.

77 posted on 12/17/2011 7:28:49 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 47 days away from outliving Marty Feldman)
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To: GreyFriar

Battle of the Bulge ping.


78 posted on 12/17/2011 7:28:59 PM PST by zot
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To: InvisibleChurch

Thanks for posting.


79 posted on 12/17/2011 7:29:06 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Future Snake Eater

“... to this day he won’t even have ice in his drinks”.

I can’t even imagine what they went through but it must have been “hell”. To be home for that long and still not want an icy drink. Bless them all (living and deceased).


80 posted on 12/17/2011 7:33:41 PM PST by momtothree
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To: InvisibleChurch

Fantastic post. Thanks.


81 posted on 12/17/2011 7:34:31 PM PST by PGalt
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To: 1rudeboy
I keep hearing how cold it was (and certainly that it was cold is not in dispute). But how cold was it? And for how long? I’m wondering about the stats . . . anyone have them?

The Weather Channel had a documentary on it. It was one of the coldest winters in that part of Europe in a long time, but the bigger problem was that a lot of allied troops were not equipped for winter fighting and were rushed into that area. I've read that some units were still equipped with the clothing/gear that they had when they landed in France in June and July.
82 posted on 12/17/2011 7:36:37 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: unkus; Guenevere
Count me in also, son of a PGC/CBI veteran.

CBI/PGC
83 posted on 12/17/2011 7:41:55 PM PST by 2sheds
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

You are correct. Generaloberst Heinz Wilhelm Guderian (June 17, 1888 - May 14, 1954) He was about 56 years old at that time. The photo was in Life magazine, He also made the cover of Time magazine Aug. 7 1944. Guderian died on 14 May 1954 at the age of 65, in Schwangau (Southern Bavaria.)


84 posted on 12/17/2011 7:43:17 PM PST by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
They are better man than me.

I don't know if I would have had the courage to face what they did.
85 posted on 12/17/2011 7:45:40 PM PST by klgator
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To: momtothree
I watched the 60s movie "Battle of the Bulge" with my Grandfather.

When it was over, I asked him what he thought of the flick. You see, he had caught it "on its original showing", as he blithely put it.

He thought for a sec, and said "It was a fine movie, but no one looked cold enough."

86 posted on 12/17/2011 7:45:41 PM PST by wbill
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To: InvisibleChurch; archy; Travis McGee; SLB

Wow.....


87 posted on 12/17/2011 7:46:05 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: 2sheds

Neat. Thanks 2sheds.

It’s great that there are FReepers who can share this. Our Dads would be happy. God bless them all.


88 posted on 12/17/2011 7:48:11 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Do you have any idea what division or outfit he was in?


89 posted on 12/17/2011 7:49:19 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: CatherineofAragon
I know it’s silly, but when I see pics/films from the BOTB, I always look at the faces to see if one of them might be him.

I guess I'm just as silly. The first thing I thought was may I would spot my great uncle Oscar. Yes he was on our side. First generation in this country and hated the Nazis with a passion for what they did to Germany.

90 posted on 12/17/2011 7:50:31 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
I was recently talking with my cousin Joe,I hadn't seen him for forty years and actually thought he was dead but we re-connected. He's 87 and in pretty good shape,he's my cousin but 15 tears older than me.

I vividly remember when he came home from the war,the big party they had for him and all even though I was only six at the time. We spent three or four hours or so talking about the war...I mostly listened to his stories and he seemed to want to talk about it.

Joe was a member of the 712th Tank Battalion attached to the 90th Infantry coming ashore at Utah Beach on D+23 in his M5A1 Stuart tank and fighting all the way into Czechoslovakia in May of '45. He was a PFC when he came ashore but was a MSGT at the end...he said it was due to attrition and a little research by me found that the 712th had the third highest casualty rate in the ETO.

During the Bulge the 712th was part of Patton's move to relieve Bastogne and Joe says it was bitter cold and that a Stuart tank isn't the warmest thing to be in,but it was better than being out in the weather 'cause there was too much s**t flying around. He says he was really lucky because he was "only" wounded once and rested at the Aid Station for a few days until the hole in his arm quit bleeding so much.

He still has the two pistols he brought home saying that at one point he had thirteen of them but was only allowed to bring two home.He says he made a fortune selling all the Lugers and P-38's to REMF's.He kept a Mauser in 7.65mm and what looks like a nickel-plated Browning Hi-Power. Further research on my part shows it to be M1935 Polish made pistol under license from FNH.The nickel plating indicates that it came from a Waffen SS officer...but Joe didn't elaborate on that...maybe next time.

I'm going to visit him again next month and will ask him more about that and anything else he wants to talk about. He lives here in Florida too because he too has an aversion to the cold...and hedgerows too!

91 posted on 12/17/2011 7:57:41 PM PST by oldsalt (There's no such thing as a free lunch.)
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To: SamAdams76
Ever have a chance to study the history of photography? A number of times people came close to the process, close to planting the seeds of what would become photography before the mid 19th century.
92 posted on 12/17/2011 7:59:44 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: InvisibleChurch

self ping


94 posted on 12/17/2011 8:02:09 PM PST by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: InvisibleChurch

self ping


95 posted on 12/17/2011 8:02:15 PM PST by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: InvisibleChurch

My dad was there, never would talk about it to us kids, but a couple years ago while visiting me, he told me a lot. He remembered riding in a jeep over Remagen Bridge (which had been heavily bombed) and looking down thrugh holes in the ridge roadway at the river rushing below.
He was one of the “Battle Babies”, so-called because they had no combat experience and were thrown right into the Battle of the Bulge. He spoke of digging artillery emplacements, getting all set and then beng told they had to move again as soon as they were done.
He told of many men killed or taken prisoner and also said that the Germans still had huge amounts of men and materiel when they surrendered.
He was part of an artillery battalion and volunteered to be a forward observer because he was young and childless and the other guys had kids at home.
He said they never really knew at the time where they were or what was going on in terms of the big picture. You just went where they pointed you. That surprised me, I figured everyone was privy to the general plan of what they were doing.
We kids always kinda teased him about his hearing loss, I guess now I have a better understanding of what standing next to those big guns does to a person.

Mrs. AV


96 posted on 12/17/2011 8:04:41 PM PST by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: oldsalt
My mom got to know an old man through one of her jobs. He used to come into the restaurant she worked in, wearing an old jacket and tie and none of the other waitresses would wait on him. Who knows why.

So she would always take care of him whenever he came in for dinner. His wife had died many years ago. She got to know this man quite well and would take me over to his house on Sundays. Sundays were when all his friends would come over and they'd talk about the war. My mother would make coffee and cornbread. All these fellows were widowers.

I was allowed to sit in the kitchen and listen but instructed never to interrupt. I'd sit there bug eyed listening to these stories but they have mostly faded from my mind. At one point she got permission to leave a tape recorder running out of view to capture their history. Sadly, all those hours of all those men vanished in a fire years back.

Those men are all gone now. I often wonder what they would think of this country now.

97 posted on 12/17/2011 8:10:32 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: CatherineofAragon
CatherineofAragon, my late father too was at the Battle of the Bulge in the Ardennes (32nd Armored Regiment), and whenever I see pictures like this, I too look to see if I might see him. I never knew him (he died when I was 2 years old), but I have pictures of him.
98 posted on 12/17/2011 8:12:54 PM PST by Humal
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To: Humal
Huma. Please freep mail me his name. Two years ago I took apart a massive photo album from a soldier who served with the 3rd Armored Division, 32nd Armored Regiment. many of the photos had the names of the soldiers and locations.

Its a long, long shot but might as well see if I have anything. I think I still have the master disc with the scans. Sold the photos individually I'm sad to say but they were too valuable to keep.

99 posted on 12/17/2011 8:22:46 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: InvisibleChurch
Thanks for the post.

My father, 19 years old at the time, was taken prisoner at the Battle of the Bulge (at St. Vith).

Interestingly, the 101st Division was one of the youngest in American military history. The average age of the soldiers was around 19, while the average age of the officers was around 23-24. Sadly, my father was tortured and was not liberated for several months after the end of the war due to his injuries. Fortunately, he was able to come home and lived a good life until his death in 1991.

I salute the honor of my father and all those who served from the greatest generation.

100 posted on 12/17/2011 8:23:23 PM PST by The Citizen Soldier (I will always remember exactly where I was when Obama made his NCAA picks.)
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