[bigbob]

ALL forms of energy receive government subsidies. Wind and solar receive less than some others:

This is 2007 data but I've seen newer charts and the relative subsidy amounts have not changed much.

[Lakeshark]

Coal, gas, nuclear, hydro, and oil actually feed the grid and work.

Wind and solar have never truly been a genuine source for feeding the grid, and they can't unless an inexpensive way to store power is developed.

[Recon Dad]

Considering wind represents less than 1% of energy produced in this country this chart is a joke. You have to base subsidies on a megawatt hour basis so everything is equal.

For example, total federal subsidies in fiscal year 2007 were $23.37 per megawatt hour for wind, compared with $0.44 for conventional coal and $0.25 for natural gas and petroleum liquids.[2] In fiscal year 2010, they were even higher. Wind’s subsidies amounted to $56.29 per megawatt hour, while the figures for coal, and natural gas and petroleum liquids, were tied at a mere $0.64.[3]

[thackney]

Do the same chart in $/kWH

[G Larry]

This data is meaningless with correlating dollars per kwh!!!

[Tublecane]

“ALL forms of energy receive government subsidies”

Yes, but only some of them would still exist as industries without them.

“Wind and solar receive less than some others”

Well, yeah, but that’s apples and oranges. Of course coal and nukes will get more Big Mother’s milk. Wind and solar are baby industries, and a baby can only suckle so much.

[Tublecane]

“Wind and solar are baby industries”

Oh, and in case this was unclear, they are baby industries because as energy producers they are losers and as investments they are sinkholes.

[thackney]

Wind has continued to grow in their subsidies.

Now, not only a per energy unit basis is wind larger but even measured in dollars it is more than oil, gas and coal combined.

Subsidies for Energy Production in FY 2010

Source	Total Federal Expenditures ($ bn)	Energy Output (Qbtu)	Subsidy in $/mmbtu
Coal	1.358	23.940	0.057
Oil and gas	2.820	38.730	0.073
Solar	1.134	0.004	274.180
Wind	4.986	0.323	15.439
Hydro	0.216	2.920	0.074
Nuclear	2.499	8.770	0.285
Biofuels	7.761	4.700	1.651
Geothermal	0.273	0.052	5.260
All Renewables (except hydro)	14.154	5.079	2.787
Total	21.047	79.354	0.265

http://www.masterresource.org/2011/11/energy-subsidies-sense/

[FreedomPoster]

I’d love to see that done in $/kWh placed on the grid.

Done like that it seems pretty misleading. Plus I’d be interested in knowing what they consider a “subsidy”. I operate on the assumption that these days, everyone in gov’t is favoring so-called “Green” energy.