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How India brought down the US’ supersonic man
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Posted on 01/19/2012 4:23:21 AM PST by MBT ARJUN

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1 posted on 01/19/2012 4:23:32 AM PST by MBT ARJUN
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To: MBT ARJUN

Good read


2 posted on 01/19/2012 4:35:28 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: MBT ARJUN

I wonder what his views of Pakistan are now, given their complicity in the WOT.


3 posted on 01/19/2012 4:45:18 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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What nonsense... To make the claim "brought down" would imply "air-to-air combat". IAF blew up a parked aircraft... That is a long way from a "shoot down".

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that the author means it in a "symbolic" way. But the title doesn't reflect that. This is nothing more than an attempt to bolster Indian nationalism while working to tear down the reputation of an American (everyone's favorite target when they don't actually have to go face-to-face with the American.)

Yeager is an old school fighter pilot that raised a little hell when things didn't go his way... That is just fighter pilots in general. To try and paint him as a psycho is just a poor attempt to try and change people's perception of the man.

It becomes even more evident that this is a "hit piece" when you see the claim that Yeager was the subject of The Right Stuff... Yes he was part of the story, but he was hardly what one would call the main protagonist. That is even more evidence of the authors attempt to build up the man so that the "tearing down" of him would be even more dramatic.

Hope this makes the IAF feel better about themselves... /s

4 posted on 01/19/2012 4:48:58 AM PST by Raven6 (Psalm 144:1 and Proverbs 22:3)
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To: reed13k

Why did we ever choose to ally ourselves with the Pakistanis?


5 posted on 01/19/2012 4:54:32 AM PST by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: MBT ARJUN

Interesting.

My reading on these events isn’t as complete as I would like it to be, but it seems that one of our major foreign policy blunders of the post-war period was getting on the wrong side concerning India.


6 posted on 01/19/2012 4:56:49 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Raven6

You didn’t even read the article ..And why should India want to bolster her nationalism when its already there .
Chuck was there to train pakis pilot against Indians.
Indian aircrafts flew in a special mission to destroy Chuck plane and let US get the message that they are not yet another country to bow down to them.
Why should India want to face US in her own home ground when russian nuclear submarines were already there to ward off any therea from US, as I said Indians are force to reckon with and american simply wanted to avoid 1000 times more debacle than vietnam war.


7 posted on 01/19/2012 5:10:40 AM PST by MBT ARJUN
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Total BS!

In the opening graphs, the MAAG is called a “bunch of thugs.” US Military MAAGs served around the world as ad visors. They were the earliest American troops in Vietnam, and many died.

Listen to the rancor in the rest of the article.

“Clearly, Yeager appeared blithely indifferent to the Pakistani killing machine which was mowing down around 10,000 Bengalis daily from 1970 to 1971” and so many other idiotic derogatory comments.

” When Yeager discovered his plane was smashed, he rushed to the US embassy in Islamabad and started yelling like a deranged maniac. His voice resounding through the embassy, he said the Indian pilot not only knew exactly what he was doing but had been specifically instructed by the Indian prime minister to blast Yeager’s plane.”

“Most missions flown by Indian pilots were conducted by day and at low level, with the pilots making repeated attacks on well defended targets. Indian aircraft flew into Pakistani skies thick with flak, virtually non-stop during the 14-day war. Many Bengali guerrillas later told the victorious Indian Army that it was the epic sight of battles fought over their skies by Indian air aces and the sight of Indian aircraft diving in on Pakistani positions that inspired them to fight”

This all nothing but a BS propaganda piece.

8 posted on 01/19/2012 5:17:55 AM PST by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengence is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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From the outset you can tell those was written by an anti-war type lib.

BS is polite...

9 posted on 01/19/2012 5:20:35 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Haiku Guy

Ask your current President and do ask why are you giving
>F16 with Amraam ?? Taliban don’t have airforce untill they come up with Flying Carpet
>Why you providin M 109 artillery
>Why you are providing Oliver class Frigates
>Why are you providing offensive weapons for free when non of them is of no use or very lil Use in WOT..
Hope he reply to your Questions .


10 posted on 01/19/2012 5:20:45 AM PST by MBT ARJUN
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By the way, are you a serving Indian Army Officer, since MBT ARJUN is the term for the Indian Army Main Battle Tank or "Argun" since "Argun is the Sanskrit word for "military fighting vehicle" or "tank."

Troll!

11 posted on 01/19/2012 5:23:41 AM PST by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengence is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: Haiku Guy

“Why did we ever choose to ally ourselves with the Pakistanis?”

The Indians were in bed with the Soviets.


12 posted on 01/19/2012 5:28:55 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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Didn’t you read your own president frustration ,when pakis lost war within 14 days ??Trust me it still an epic .
guardian.co.uk/world/indira-gandhi


13 posted on 01/19/2012 5:29:59 AM PST by MBT ARJUN
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You know, there is a pretty sizable number of Indian immigrants in my town.

Should I consider them friendly to American interests, or not?

14 posted on 01/19/2012 5:32:49 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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The Russians supplied India with armaments when America refused to sell them to the latter, and even forced Britain to stop such sales - one of the Soviet premiers famously gave India’s Nehru tours of Russian aircraft factories with promises of supplying India with the latest of Russian weaponry - at a time when the West refused to entertain any such efforts.

The American bet was on a religiously “cohesive” Pakistan to survive over the long term, in comparison with what was thought to be a very unstable, secular India. On top of that, the Russians quite early on shored up support for India in booting out French and Portuguese territorial claims from within her territory - especially Goa.

Things turned out quite differently, for all parties, through the years. India, no doubt, acted in India’s interests and stuck with it.


15 posted on 01/19/2012 5:34:14 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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Biased hit piece trash.


16 posted on 01/19/2012 5:35:14 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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Why did we ever choose to ally ourselves with the Pakistanis?

Because the Indians chose to ally themselves with the Soviets. For all of the Cold War, Pakistan was a pretty dependable ally. Zia Islamized the country, but it's hard to say whether he was in the lead, or merely saw the writing on the wall. Islamization has been the trend in Muslim countries for decades, driven in large part by popular sentiment, against the wishes of relatively more cosmopolitan* political elites, who go along for fear of violent revolt and/or assassination**. Muslim countries that practically never saw the hijab (the kind of head scarf a Catholic nun might wear) forty years ago are now infested with full burkhas (the tent-like garment that covers all but the eyes). What's happened to Pakistan is pretty sad, much like what happened to Iran.

India is a lot like France - an ally that will always be there for you when they need you. During the 1970's, India came close to invading the British base at Diego Garcia - which we use under longstanding agreements with the Brits - so as to annex it.

* The fact that Yahya Khan ruled Pakistan during Yeager's stint tells us something about how secular Pakistan was during the period. Khan was a Shiite and a known hard drinker (alcohol is religiously forbidden to Muslims of all denominations, but was legal for Muslims in Pakistan at the time) ruling a majority Sunni nation. FYI, Shiites are viewed by Sunnis more or less the way evangelical Christians view Mormons - as slightly deranged cultists.

** The Egyptian leader before Mubarak was assassinated by Islamists, and just about every Muslim leader, including Saddam and Gaddafi, has been the subject of death threats and/or assassination attempts from that quarter.

17 posted on 01/19/2012 5:35:55 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: MindBender26

Troll for what because I posted something that put chuck or US in line of fire ?? well if you search a bit ,i do also use to post Indo US honeymoon related story in FR.
Indo - US are now virtualy allies with common interest .
BTW am not an army officer but served my country as a part National Cadet Corps (NCC),a kinda reserve .


18 posted on 01/19/2012 5:36:12 AM PST by MBT ARJUN
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To: MindBender26

Troll for what because I posted something that put chuck or US in line of fire ?? well if you search a bit ,i do also use to post Indo US honeymoon related story in FR.
Indo - US are now virtualy allies with common interest .
BTW am not an army officer but served my country as a part National Cadet Corps (NCC),a kinda reserve .


19 posted on 01/19/2012 5:36:19 AM PST by MBT ARJUN
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To: MindBender26

Troll for what because I posted something that put chuck or US in line of fire ?? well if you search a bit ,i do also use to post Indo US honeymoon related story in FR.
Indo - US are now virtualy allies with common interest .
BTW am not an army officer but served my country as a part National Cadet Corps (NCC),a kinda reserve .


20 posted on 01/19/2012 5:38:01 AM PST by MBT ARJUN
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