Is this a fair question for Romney? What are your vows, promises and duties as Mormon bishop?

Obviously, people tend to vote for so-called "affinity" candidates. But that is true across the political spectrum. That is why education needs to be vastly improved in this country so that all citizens become better informed and better able to assess their own political preferences critically and accurately.

Agreed.

About half of the GOP in some states shows their gullibility by voting for the likes of Romney & Paul.

Mormons...over 90% of them are voting for Romney & Paul (5% of Mormons voted for Paul in Nevada).

So Romney or Romney-Paul are consistently drawing 94%, 95%, 93% of the Mormon vote. Pathetic.

Mitt Romney and Anne Romney are both on the record repeatedly lying about their previous pro-abortion, pro-life stances (Mitt in January and August of 2007); Anne Romney in November of 2011 in a Parade Mag interview. Mitt lied about seeing his father supposedly "march WITH" Martin Luther King.

MittCare & its taxpayer-funded, let Planned Parenthood in the door approach to "healthcare" and abortions...etc...

All shows that Mormons top the list in their gullibility & vulnerability to deception.

Actually, all I tend to see in my feed is anti-Mormon posts. I rarely, if ever, see pro-Mormon ones, including what you just cited. In fact, I’ve only seen 2 or 3 Mormon posters left...it’s mostly just the same antis pinging each other and cut-and-pasting stuff to each other.

Although I think it is obvious that I think all of Mormonism is nonsense, I can reiterate if it pleases you.

I don’t believe in golden plates, Missouri Eden, virgin births, demi-gods, magic underwear, ritual cannibalism, idol worship, the Rapture, Mormons as really Jews, false Jewish messiahs, and so on.

I do believe in the word of God to Noah, and I think the word of God to Moses was pretty good as well. Anything beyond that is pretty much just noise. That’s the mythology I have accepted and am finally peaceful with after years of tumult.

Hope this helps.

Last, yes we do say The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the true church of Jesus restored to the earth in the latter days. But unlike all of the other sects I know of, we do not say or imply pejorative judgements of other religions. For example, we don't say or imply you are going to hell if you are a Baptist, Catholic or Muslim. Quite the contrary.

Hmmm...

Me thinks -- as MHGinTN has pointed out re: a # of other former FREEPER (Lds) posters...that you're either...
...dissimilating...
...or somehow missed a few seminary and Sunday School classes in your supposed "steeped" Mormonism.

What do I mean? (Keep reading) In light of what you said above, do you wish to "explain" the plain meaning of what's charted below? [Seems to me you only conceded the D&C 1:30 row below...and totally avoided dealing with the other obvious refs]

Or will you do the "typical" Mormon FREEPER thing...which is to make either a baseless or false claim, and then we never hear you address that subject again on this or any future thread? (Unless you, of course, just go around intentionally dissimilating on various threads).

Charting Mormon Foundational Intolerance: Smithesque Slander of the Christian Church

MEMO: ‘Wake-up call’ to allies of Mormon founder Joseph Smith and those operating as current disciples of Smith: Those who 'preach' against intolerance need to take note of Mormonism's intolerant roots

Title: A Primer of How Lds founder Joseph Smith Launched His Campaign of Open Bigotry vs. Worldwide Christianity, Engaging in Scorched-Earth Religious Politics

Mitt Romney, Dec, 2007, speaking @ the George Bush Presidential Library: "I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers – I will be true to them and to my beliefs."

Snapshot of Joseph Smith’s Slanderous Invectives vs. Christian Sects	Mormon Source [Note: Most of these are Mormon ‘scriptures'. In fact, First three rows below are Lds 'scripture' & therefore cannot be rug-swept any more than a Jew might try to take three commandments off of the very tablets of stone Moses brought down from the mountain]
“...which of all the sects was right… must join NONE of them, for they were ALL WRONG… those professors were ALL CORRUPT…”	Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price
...“which of all the sects was right…ALL their CREEDS were an ABOMINATION* in his sight…they teach for doctrines the commandments of MEN…”*	Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price
Mormon church the only ‘Christ-sanctioned’ church on earth: “…the foundation of this [Mormon] church…the ONLY true and living church on the face of the whole earth” [Obvious ‘scorched earth’ implication: All other churches are false and dead]	Lds “scripture” Doctrines & Covenants 1:30
Direct question asked of Joseph Smith: 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?" Answer from Lds "prophet" Joseph Smith: 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness."	Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119 [Not “scripture” – but still publicly spoken by the Mormon ‘living prophet’ and published by a later Mormon ‘living prophet,’ Joseph Fielding Smith – via a publisher owned by the Mormon church – Deseret News Press, 1938]
“In 1952…the first official proselyting plan was sent to missionaries throughout the world…It included seven missionary discussions that emphasized…[four topics, one of them being]…THE APOSTASY and Restoration…” [This makes it almost 60 years that Mormon church missionaries, now numbering 52,000, have formally emphasized in its training & door to door saturation a priority in bashing the worldwide Christian church as “apostates” (100% AWOL)]	Our Heritage: A Brief History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints p. 116, 1996

Well then, I’d be pretty miffed if I was one of the other ones and had to stay home all the time....and NOT get to appear with the Bishop on TV all the time.

Sheesh.

And why isn’t NOW speaking up???

/severe sarcasm

That is so true. That is why we have so many people being deceived into believing that Mormon is a Christian religion.

The first chapter of Galatians is truly the Living Word for Today!

Thanks for your post and God Bless!

Why the discrepancy as to who you oppose if you disagree theologically?

You mean he bashs the CHRISTIANs more than the MORMONs??

Perhpas I can explain:

If the ROOT of ALL the 'christian heresies' is pulled up; then the ones farther out on the vine will die without any effort.

Or, SATAN knows that CHRISTIANity offers the REAL salvation; so his minions do not mess with the fakes.

I'd ping you-know-who, but the RM says that pinging someone and saying SATAN in the same reply is a bit of a no-no.

For last weekend's vote...here's where I got the 88% figure:

WHAT!!??

We're losing our OWN people???

--MormonDude(Quick Robin; to the Batmobile!)

In fact, I’ve only seen 2 or 3 Mormon posters left...it’s mostly just the same antis pinging each other and cut-and-pasting stuff to each other.

But we have YOU and the LURKERS in mind as well!

I do believe in the word of God to Noah...

Why?

What make it any more believeable?

You never did answer the question about condemnation of His Chosen People in the OT.

Will He find faith on the earth at His return?

Luke 18:8

Hmmm... Me thinks -- as MHGinTN has pointed out re: a # of other former FREEPER (Lds) posters...that you're either... ...dissimilating... ...or somehow missed a few seminary and Sunday School classes in your supposed "steeped" Mormonism. What do I mean? (Keep reading) In light of what you said above, do you wish to "explain" the plain meaning of what's charted below? [Seems to me you only conceded the D&C 1:30 row below...and totally avoided dealing with the other obvious refs] Or will you do the "typical" Mormon FREEPER thing...which is to make either a baseless or false claim, and then we never hear you address that subject again on this or any future thread? (Unless you, of course, just go around intentionally dissimilating on various threads).

I would be happy to have a civil discourse on all of this. Not sure that is possible here, but I will address a bit of your post.

First of all, your insult is noted. No I am not dissembling, and most consider me pretty well informed about the gospel of Jesus Christ and Church history. So if you wish to have a civil discussion devoid of insults and ad hominem attacks, I will post a few reasoned comments to see how you and the others here respond.

I started my comments on this thread to be helpful and reasonable and will attempt to continue in that vein.

First, I note in passing that the title of the quotes in your post is a bit over the top, basically "pot calling the kettle black" hyperbole designed to get people riled up. A fair analysis of press stories from that era would prove quite the opposite of what your title implies. But that isn't the substance of my response, only an observation.

Second, the first three quotes you cite are the words of the Savior to the young prophet. If you read the first two quotes carefully, you will note that the comments were focused on the Creeds and the professors or ministers, not on those who belonged to the churches of the day.

If you know anything about history, you will know that the Creeds originated with Constantine, a fairly notoriously wicked emperor. At the time, the remaining elements of the Christian Church were trying to resolve key disagreements. Emperor Constantine brought them together, pushed for his views and then destroyed all records of the perspective that lost, and sought to kill or banish those that pushed for those views. Not exactly a scriptural way to seek the will of God. Moreover, many internecine fights among religions continued down through the Middle Ages to the time of Joseph Smith. And they continue today, as you must realize.

As for the claims of the "true and living" Church, I believe you will find that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only religion today that claims that Jesus came back to earth to start it, and sent heavenly messengers to bring back Priesthood power that had been lost. You are free to disagree, and even make fun of such claims. You would certainly be in company with many in the media and show business.

Nevertheless, you will look long and hard to find any condemnation of members of any other faiths, either in the historical record or in current talks and essays by current General Authorities. In fact, the 11th Article of Faith stipulates "We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may." That is exactly what I was suggesting in my prior post.

Next, the quote of Joseph you cite I have always taken to be somewhat mirthful, full of truth --- and humor, but requiring a fuller understanding of what was behind the statement. The word "damn" means the stopping of progress. It is quite clear from scripture that without duly authorized Priesthood ordinances, all of us are stopped from eternal progress. What Joseph Smith restored to the world was the means by which all who have lived on the earth can receive the necessary ordinances, if they so choose. Again, you are free to mock, but the scope of concern within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the effort of its leaders and members for the people of all faiths and of all times in the earth history, for which records still exist, cannot be denied. Most members of The Church have spent hours researching records of ancestors, and additional time and sacrifice performing proxy ordinances. Such efforts are are labors of love for people of all faiths. At root of these practices is the heartfelt belief that our Father in Heaven loves ALL of His children, of all faiths, and wants all to have the same opportunity to return to Him, whether or not they died as a child, or lived in times and places without the gospel of Jesus Christ. Nothing could be more fair and loving.

Finally, your quote about the apostasy is a bit dated but is completely consistent with Peter's prophecy about a "falling away" in 2 Thessalonians 2. And Peter's prophecy about a "restitution of all things" might just be referring to the establishment of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to bring back what was lost in anticipation of the Lord's Second Coming.

Again, mock and flame if you will. In the meantime, if you or any readers want to continue a reasoned discussion, let me know.

Kind regards...
Luke (my handle when I flew USAF F-4s to protect your freedoms)

What Joseph Smith restored to the world................

For a well spoken guy...you are totally duped. You aren't the first, nor the last...I'm afraid.

I will ask again...were you born a mormon...or converted?

The word "damn" means the stopping of progress.

"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

I just LOVE how MORMON quotes have to be 'explained'!

You are free to disagree, and even make fun of such claims.

And, even post Biblical scripture and MORMON writings; too.

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,

' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'

If you read the first two quotes carefully, you will note that the comments were focused on the Creeds and the professors or ministers, not on those who belonged to the churches of the day.

Modern reconstructionism of mormon apologetic doesn't grant you that latitude. The use of the term "professors" in that era does not mean "ministers" - it means those who "profess" that faith - the people themselves. Your little twist is not in accord with the historical teachings of your apostles and prophets in that regard.

f you know anything about history, you will know that the Creeds originated with Constantine,

Well, one thing is clear, you don't know your history. There are many 'creeds' that predate Constantine, some of which are even recorded in the NT.

Moreover, many internecine fights among religions continued down through the Middle Ages to the time of Joseph Smith. And they continue today, as you must realize.

And that is not exclusive of mormonism either. Brigham Young notoriously persecuted and killed splinter groups. Mormons murdered innocent emigrants passing through Utah. Smith developed the danites to go after dissenters. Even today, those who believe in the bom, smith as a prophet and a living prophet are vehemently denounced.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only religion today that claims that Jesus came back to earth to start it, . . .

Uh, history challenged eh. Jesus began his church in the first century. Secondly, you fail to provide substantial evidence that Jesus really visited Smith - in fact smith himself cannot even get his story straight on the subject.

What Joseph Smith restored to the world was the means by which all who have lived on the earth can receive the necessary ordinances, if they so choose.

Can't restore falsehoods Luke. Those 'ordinances' never existed to begin with - only in the fanciful notions of smith

....sent heavenly messengers to bring back Priesthood power that had been lost.

They never existed to begin with Luke. All we have is the 'word' of a convicted swindler and occultist.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the effort of its leaders and members for the people of all faiths and of all times in the earth history, for which records still exist, cannot be denied.

All times? only since 1830. Bogus necrodunking can easily be denied.

Nevertheless, you will look long and hard to find any condemnation of members of any other faiths, either in the historical record or in current talks and essays by current General Authorities.

Oh shooting ducks in a barrel.

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60

"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 167 (Hmmmmm and mormons want to be know as Christians?)

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255

“Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46

So much for NEVER condemning members of other faiths.

Moreover, many internecine fights among religions continued down through the Middle Ages to the time of Joseph Smith. And they continue today, as you must realize.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sects_in_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement

JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But....

Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."

Where is Sandy when we need her?

Charting Mormon Foundational Intolerance: Smithesque Slander of the Christian Church

MEMO: ‘Wake-up call’ to allies of Mormon founder Joseph Smith and those operating as current disciples of Smith: Those who 'preach' against intolerance need to take note of Mormonism's intolerant roots

Title: A Primer of How Lds founder Joseph Smith Launched His Campaign of Open Bigotry vs. Worldwide Christianity, Engaging in Scorched-Earth Religious Politics

Snapshot of Joseph Smith’s Slanderous Invectives vs. Christian Sects

Mormon Source