Posted on 02/10/2012 6:27:16 AM PST by Former MSM Viewer
Did Rubios parents become citizens before he was born?
Please pay close attention to “inclusive” vs “exclusive” language.
To say that all women are humans is true.
To say that all humans, therefore, must be women is false.
Those born to two citizen parents on US Soil ARE Natural Born Citizens.
Those Born of alien parents, yet subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, ARE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS!
Not a single conservative legal foundation agrees with you.
Not a single judge agrees with you.
Not a single elected official agrees with you.
You are pushing a crack pot, tin-foil-hat theory that does not hold water.
You do not understand the law and you do not speak for the vast majority of true conservatives.
You didn’t go far in school did you? Basic understanding of government use to be a requirement for a high school diploma.
HUH?
You are calling the people who disagree with you “threats” and enemies of the Republic -—
Yet you cry like a baby when someone tells you how wrong you are on this issue?
Wrong, they are just citizens. The courts have NEVER said these are natural-born citizens. Your stuff about "inclusive" and "exclusive" language ignores that the court only applied the natural-born citizen characterization to ONE set of criteria. They had no problem doing this. If they believed it could be applied to another set of criteria, why didn't they do so?? And, you need to read and understand this passage from Minor:
The words "all children" are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as "all persons," and if females are included in the last they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea.
Waite uses the construction of the term "all children" to reject the 14th amendment's use of "all persons" as being the only way for women to be citizens. He's saying there's nothing NEW in the 14th amendment to create citizenship for women because they already have it in the definition of natural-born citizens. That's why he says the plaintiff's whole argument proceeds on this idea, so that they would be forced to admit that Minor ... and women in general who are born in the country to citizen parents ... do NOT need the 14th amendment to be citizens. They are already natural-born citizens, and as such, are EXCLUDED from the operation of the birth clause in the 14th amendment.
I just reported YOU to the moderators.
You do not know what you are talking about, others are trying to help you understand legal and historical issues, yet -— you seem to think that it is OK to tell those of us who disagree with you on this (the vast majority of conservatives DO disagree with you) -— well you do not get to tell us that we are against the Constitution.
Part of defending the Constitution is telling people like YOU that you do not understand the Constitution.
I am not questioning YOUR patriotism.
HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE PATRIOTISM OF ANYONE ON FR???
You are an idiot for all to see.. report that and I’m sure even admin moderators will agree.
You need to do a bit more homework, you do not understand citizenship law, at all.
Yes, if you are born in another country, Congress has changed the requirements several times, as far as the rules to obtain Citizenship at Birth.
-——Statute, by parentage
Under certain circumstances, children may acquire U.S. citizenship from their parents. The following conditions affect children born outside the U.S. and its outlying possessions to married parents (special conditions affect children born out of wedlock: see below):[5]
If both parents are U.S. citizens, the child is a citizen if either of the parents has ever legally resided in the U.S. prior to the child’s birth
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is a U.S. national, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year prior to the child’s birth
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has been “physically present”[6] in the U.S. before the child’s birth for a total period of at least five years, and
at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent’s fourteenth birthday.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States_of_America
You can not point to a single elected official who agrees with you.
You can not point to a single judge who agrees with you.
You can not point to a single Conservative organization that agrees with you. (Other than WND)
You have a very small, minority view. Your view is false.
I know that you are wrong, yet I do not question your patriotism
I suggest you follow my example.
And, I will begin complaining to the mods every time someone questions the patriotism of any poster who points out the faulty arguments of birthers.
a weak and faulty reading of the decision. The reason the law does not distinguish Natural Born Citizen from Citizen at Birth is, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!
Natural Born Citizen means Citizen at Birth.
There are only two classes of Citizen, in the United States:
Natural Born
Naturalized
Name a single conservative leader who agrees with you, would you please?
Do not question my patriotism, simply for questioning and challenging your false reading of the law.
I have reported you to the moderator and asked that patriotism and love of country not be challenged on this issue.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
You have absolutely NOBODY of any importance or stature, on your side of this silly argument, yet you call ME a “fool”?
When facts fail, go for the personal attack.
Nice.
Any particular reason this obot spam monkey is allowed to pee on the carpet? What gives?
Marco Rubio is not eligible to be president. He knows it and hopefully he will have the integrity to not try to run for that office.
I think you are a traitor and an obot tool. I'll ping the mods to save you the trouble.
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