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Open Source Code Is As Good As Proprietary, Says Coverity
TechWeek Europe ^ | 23 February 2012 | Eric Doyle

Posted on 02/23/2012 10:15:01 AM PST by ShadowAce

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To: sten
Yep, if if a group of Americans volunteered to mow each other's lawns, the people who mow lawns for a living would have to find a different line of work unless they could do a sufficiently more meticulous job that homeowners felt it was worth the money.

I personally use bought-and paid-for-software when it's well written, well supported (can't emphasize that enough) and meets a specialized need that the open source market can't.

But pay for a bog-standard email client that's no better than Thunderbird, or MS Excel when LibreOffice meets every need I have? Not a chance.

21 posted on 02/23/2012 12:38:53 PM PST by Notary Sojac (A liberal, a conservative, and a moderate walk into a bar. The bartender says, "Hi. Mitt!!".)
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To: Hodar

Actually these people are PAYING for things MS claims are covered by their patents, not by any proven or court order. And its not google, its the MANUFACTURERS, though now with google makign phones they may have inherited any agreement motorola may have had with MSFT.

As a software developer myself, I find the whole patent thing a bit crazy, the patent office has no idea what they issue patents for..

For instance, entering a password to unlock it is a “PATENT”.. that’s crazy! But the Patent office issued a patent for it.. so that is why your droid has a different zip to the circles in the right order, its all just silliness.

Innovation is stifled by desigining around bogus patents that are meaningless except to lawyers and moochers.

I have no issues giving a patent to someone who truly invents something new, say a new encryption algorithm or something, but swiping a screen left to right is a patententable thing? Come on... its crazy.


22 posted on 02/23/2012 12:41:00 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: sten
The model for proprietary software is to write cheap messy code then sell the hell out of it to win the most market share. Microsoft and Oracle have gotten rich this way. The cheap messy code insures upgrades and maintenance income long term. Propriety software companies that write code as clean as open source go out of business. If you're charging for software, you have to invest mostly in sales, not programming. Those high end steak houses survive mainly by helping salesmen close deals.
23 posted on 02/23/2012 12:53:01 PM PST by Reeses
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To: HamiltonJay
have no issues giving a patent to someone who truly invents something new, say a new encryption algorithm or something, but swiping a screen left to right is a patententable thing? Come on... its crazy.

It's beyond crazy, especially in the biomedical field. How do you patent genes, DNA and the fundamental building blocks of life? Michael Crighton wrote a really fascinating book called "Next". The Patent Office is issuing patents on things they do not comprehend, and are either too lazy or incompetent to consider the ramifications of what they are doing.

Software patents are merely a symptom of a much more serious problem. I wish I had a solution for this problem - I'd patent it.

24 posted on 02/23/2012 1:00:15 PM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: sten

Nah. Intellectual property laws are what’s distinctly anti-capitalist here. Since these rely on government fiat to grant effective monopoly power over intangible ideas and innovations, thereby enforcing an arbitrary limitation of supply on goods that in reality are infinitely reproducible. Nothing capitalist about that.


25 posted on 02/23/2012 1:05:56 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: sten
Just because Richard Stallman and the Free Software Foundation tilt against payment doesn't mean all Open Source is "Anti-Capitalistic"

There are quite a few large companies like Red Hat who do very well by selling services to clients.

You are complaining because people contribute their type to projects? Build a better product or more functionality.

26 posted on 02/23/2012 1:20:01 PM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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To: alex2011
Look the biggest draw back that electronic voting machine have is that it is impossible to cheat and change the results. A computer will give the same numbers no matter how many times you recount.

Now voting machines should not be available for hacking and that is pretty easy to do. For example, there would be no need for a computerized voting machine to be connected to the internet.

you are all scared of them because the Democrats will not allow them because of the endless recount issue no longer working for them. The media are alarmists.

Computers are the real answer for fair elections. I can envision a day when you go to your polling place to vote (showing proper ID of course). The computer will know if you are entitled to vote there. We probably will want to employee facial recognition so that I know you are really who you say you are, or perhaps DNA sampling would be better.

Yes computers are the answer. I would even volunteer to program them.

27 posted on 02/23/2012 1:20:59 PM PST by w1andsodidwe (Barrak has nowuwon the contest. He is even worse than Jimmah.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
There are quite a few large companies like Red Hat who do very well by selling services to clients.

The modern-day version of "Give away the razors, sell the blades." "Give away the software, sell the services."

28 posted on 02/23/2012 1:23:03 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

put out a product in a new category, and watch people rage about having to pay anything for it (even as low as $10 is to much for these people). after that, expect to see a free solution pop up and promoted. sloppier and with less features, but free.

the VAST majority of free software is hacked crap. some projects are written well, but the majority isn’t.

as for red hat, they made the majority of their cash supporting a product they never developed (yes, I know they are now developing and submitting... thereby protecting their position).

if you were in the industry in the 80s and 90s, you’ll remember the articles about how the big corporations fear the garage software developer. in response, large corporations embraced the free software movement... raising the barrier to entry for small developers


29 posted on 02/23/2012 1:42:02 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

In a word, no. Most FOSS developers are either do it for a hobby or do it for very commercial reasons. Maybe your impression of open source was colored by Richard Stallman and the GNU project but that view was embraced and co-opted by the joys of making $$.

That said, I’m going to get back to a sweet little contract I picked up supporting a startup that is using FOSS software for BigData and Search.


30 posted on 02/23/2012 9:48:54 PM PST by sick1 (Don't fear the freeper)
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To: sick1

i did software contracting for 10+ years. although quite lucrative, you won’t be able to ‘get off the wheel.’

creating your own products and putting them out is how you get off the wheel. having anti-capitalists ‘compete’ against you by putting out free software (or making cracks available) undermines the small software shop


31 posted on 02/23/2012 11:36:43 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Hodar

I agree, but the tech field won’t be touched.. The software patent laws will update when the H1B visa rules are actually enforced and companies are punished for violating them... Not going to happen.


32 posted on 02/24/2012 5:31:08 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: sten

Understand the frustration. I’m currently writing a proprietary software service/system that is largely based on FOSS software. I expect to sell it for real $$. One must just stay away from areas that are easily commoditized. Sure there’s a risk that a FOSS solution might emerge in your space - but risk from a low cost producer has always been there. I personally do not view FOSS as a barrier to commercial success.


33 posted on 02/24/2012 12:14:53 PM PST by sick1 (Don't fear the freeper)
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To: sick1

depending on the licensing, you might lose any / all profits by having open source within your product

if you are servicing a niche, the likelihood of an open source solution popping up is very low. general systems with mass appeal is usually the target of open source


34 posted on 02/24/2012 12:22:18 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

Sure, I’m careful about licensing and stick only to the fully open licenses (Apache & BSD). Basing the work off of Hadoop, HBase, ElasticSearch, & Mahout.

The system is for the large scale storage and processing of Business Audit Logging statements. It targets highly regulated businesses, has detailed UI needs, and serious operational concerns. None of those requirements is typically the sweet spot for FOSS solutions. We’ll see - it’s always a risk but I should have a good head start.


35 posted on 02/24/2012 12:42:19 PM PST by sick1 (Don't fear the freeper)
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