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Dungy: Gregg Williams’ Redskins may have started Peyton Manning’s neck issues
Yahoo Sports ^ | 3/3/2012 | Doug Farrar

Posted on 03/03/2012 5:03:26 PM PST by GreaterSwiss

By the time the "BountyGate" scandal investigation is over, the only thing former New Orleans Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams might not have been blamed for is whatever gas prices happen to be at that time. And now that the bounty system he participated in while with the Saints can be traced back to his time as the Washington Redskins' defensive coordinator, facts that previously came to light are now going under the magnifying glass with a much harsher light cast on them.

Last September, Cindy Boren of the Washington Post wrote an article in which ex-Indianapolis Colts head coach Tony Dungy put the start of Peyton Manning's longstanding neck injuries and surgeries at a game between the Colts and the Redskins on October 22, 2006. On one play, Manning was given a "high-low" hit by defensive linemen Andre Carter and Phillip Daniels. Those types of hits, in which two defensive players aim for different halves of an offensive player's body, are among the most dangerous in football.

The guy wouldn't let go of my head," Manning said after the game of Daniels, who was fined $5,000 by the NFL for the hit. "I looked at my helmet to see if my head was in it."

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Basically Daniels kept on saying it was a clean hit when he was being paid to take out Peyton Manning out of the game.
1 posted on 03/03/2012 5:03:36 PM PST by GreaterSwiss
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To: GreaterSwiss

In the immortal words of Jack Lambert. “Let,s put dresses on all of them”. Football is a contact sport. PERIOD!


2 posted on 03/03/2012 5:11:09 PM PST by TexasSecede79366 (Soap box,jury box,ballot box,bullet box. Where are we now?)
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To: TexasSecede79366

Williams was paying players bonuses if they took the opposing star player out of the game. There’s a difference.


3 posted on 03/03/2012 5:16:59 PM PST by GreaterSwiss
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To: TexasSecede79366

Yea, it’s a contact sport, but it’s not the hunger games. What Gregg did is despicable. I already know too many old football players who take 4 hours to get out of bed every morning. Over the last several years I’ve become more and more of an uneasy fan as I see the long term damage that it’s causing. I hope the people involved in this betting scandal all get lifetime bans from the NFL.


4 posted on 03/03/2012 5:19:31 PM PST by mongrel
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To: TexasSecede79366

Yea, it’s a contact sport, but it’s not the hunger games. What Gregg did is despicable. I already know too many old football players who take 4 hours to get out of bed every morning. Over the last several years I’ve become more and more of an uneasy fan as I see the long term damage that it’s causing. I hope the people involved in this betting scandal all get lifetime bans from the NFL.


5 posted on 03/03/2012 5:19:34 PM PST by mongrel
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To: GreaterSwiss

I personally find this to be despicable.The Saints should
sit out the next 5 seasons.What thugs.


6 posted on 03/03/2012 5:20:05 PM PST by georgia peach (georgia peach)
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To: GreaterSwiss

I remember the game Dungy spoke of. Don’t know why I remember it, but I do, and yes, Peyton was hit savagely in that game. If the charges against Williams are true, then he and the players who participated should be permanently banned from the game. There is a difference between playing the game and looking to intentionally cause another player physical harm.


7 posted on 03/03/2012 5:26:39 PM PST by ducttape45
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To: georgia peach

I agree. Williams should be banned from the game, and the Saints and Redskins deserve major penalties. Players proven to have participated in injury bounties should be suspended for a year or banner permanently if warranted. I have no ill will towards the Saints...in fact I like Brees and Coach Payton a lot...they are among my favorites in the league.


8 posted on 03/03/2012 5:36:17 PM PST by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: GreaterSwiss
I heard a quote from Kurt Warner today, that these internal team pools about taking out opposing teams' players is pretty common. I'm not surprised. It's a brutal game, and at the top, it's so competitive, it's whatever you can get away with. If you can't handle the cold brutality, you can't handle the business.

I was a fan of the Detroit Pistons during the Bad Boy era. Did they have some dirty players, like Mahorn and Laimbeer and Rodman? Yup. But they couldn't get away with anything that the refs didn't let them get away with.

I remember when Robert Parrish slapped Bill Laimbeer to the floor in front of God and everybody, and the refs didn't call a foul. Things even out.

I think that was the golden era of the NBA. There was no shaking hands and kissy-face after the game. Those teams hated each other, which made for a lot more drama.

Last year, Justin Upton of the AZ Diamondbacks led the league in Hit By Pitch. They weren't just nicking him, they were hitting him in the spine, in the head, in the kidneys. Brutal. Because he was the best hitter on the team, and they were testing him. Umps should have thrown some of those pitchers out. But they didn't. He was being tested.

9 posted on 03/03/2012 5:39:45 PM PST by FlyVet
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“I was a fan of the Detroit Pistons during the Bad Boy era. Did they have some dirty players, like Mahorn and Laimbeer and Rodman?”

Me too. I was a fan of the previous NBA non-written rule of “no harm, no foul” when Laimbeer and Mahorn were the poster boys of physical play. Then Pat Riley transferred that to his “in your face defense” approach of the 90’s Knicks. Loved it.

Now you look at the refs wrong, they give you a level 2 technical foul. This is like watching today’s WWE versus the “Attitude” era of Stone Cold and DX. No contest.


10 posted on 03/03/2012 5:45:07 PM PST by max americana (Buttcrack Obama is an idiot)
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To: mongrel
I beg to differ. Pro Football is pure BS. I would much rather spend my Friday nights and Saturdays watching high school and Pop Warner where kids still have a passion for the sport. I still watch a few college games but that's getting stupid.

I grew up in the same city where they make "Friday Night Lights". When I graduated from high school I was a 9 year veteran. I remember one game for the district championship where our middle linebacker literally tried to take the quarterbacks head off. (The snaps on the helmet came loose and the helmet went about 20 yards down the field.)

Pro football is gaining fast on the NBA in suckability.

Believe it or not,after seeing about 50 li'l meskin kids fighting over a soccer ball I could become a fan. It was really cool!

11 posted on 03/03/2012 5:49:51 PM PST by TexasSecede79366 (Soap box,jury box,ballot box,bullet box. Where are we now?)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Huge difference... Williams should get a year off.


12 posted on 03/03/2012 5:51:25 PM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: max americana
Heh. I always remember how much the Sixers fans hated Mahorn....until the Pistons traded him to the Sixers. Then they loved him. That's the way it goes.

Players like Mahorn, Laimbeer, and Rodman were so good at getting into the opposing players' heads. Laimbeer got Larry Bird to go ballistic and get thrown out of a game once. Rodman made these gay-looking "I want you" eyes at an opposing player, and got him to react, got him thrown out of the game. They were nuts.

Laimbeer was a nice guy off the court, heavily involved in charities. But he was such a pr*ck on the court.

I remember once he said, "If you want to see a great player, look at Isaiah. If you want comic relief, look at me."

13 posted on 03/03/2012 5:55:31 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: mongrel
Sorry,on reflection we need to set boundaries between sport (an activity that you have done and understand.)

and amusement. (Yeah that's you.)

14 posted on 03/03/2012 5:56:14 PM PST by TexasSecede79366 (Soap box,jury box,ballot box,bullet box. Where are we now?)
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To: FlyVet

Believe it or not, he grew up here in L.A., white dude neighborhood of Pacific Palisades. Grew up to hate the Lakers as I watched a KTLA intermission one night years ago and they were interviewing him and Cooper from the 80’s Showtime Lakers.

The late, great coach Chuck Daly once said “Laimbeer never started a fight by physically hitting you. He just says something in the other guy’s ear and they are the ones who go nuts.” But I do miss those Rodman vs Pippen highlights.


15 posted on 03/03/2012 6:02:58 PM PST by max americana (Buttcrack Obama is an idiot)
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To: max americana
Yes, I remember the first time the Pistons faced the Bulls in the championship. One of the Pistons elbowed Pippen in the temple. Probably gave him a concussion, because he was useless the rest of the series.

But he learned. The next time, first tipoff of the game, Pippen elbowed one of the Pistons in the ribs, knocked the wind out of him. The refs said nothing. Message sent. I think the Bulls went on to win that one. The refs remember, too.

16 posted on 03/03/2012 6:08:04 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: mongrel

I agree. Lifetime bans for the DC, the HC, and the GM. Football is a contact sport; it is not trophy hunting. If I were Peyton and my neck injury could be attributed to this program, I’d be talking to lawyers and would end up owning the Redskins.


17 posted on 03/03/2012 6:15:54 PM PST by p. henry
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To: FlyVet

Laimbeer was a dirty player. He deliberately would try to hurt guys. When someone would go up for a jump shot, he would stick his foot under the player so they would land awkwardly on his foot.


18 posted on 03/03/2012 6:17:39 PM PST by NotSoFreeStater (If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice)
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To: FlyVet

Laimbeer was a dirty player. He deliberately would try to hurt guys. When someone would go up for a jump shot, he would stick his foot under the player so they would land awkwardly on his foot.


19 posted on 03/03/2012 6:17:48 PM PST by NotSoFreeStater (If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice)
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To: NotSoFreeStater

I agree. He was dirty. But, he couldn’t get away with that, unless the refs let him. That was brutal era in the NBA. And Laimbeer took more than his share of beatings. He retired early, due to a bad back. He took plenty of his own hits. Countless times, I saw him draw offensive fouls, as in knees to the face, knocked flat on his back. He wasn’t a wimp.


20 posted on 03/03/2012 6:25:53 PM PST by FlyVet
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