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Obama's Citizenship

Posted on 03/21/2012 7:30:25 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Could someone explain the issue of Obama's birth certificate? I've seen Sheriff Joe present findings that it is a forgery along with the selective service card. Then I recall Ann Coulter claiming "her paper," human events has debunked the "birther" nonsense, but I don't really bother reading her columns any longer preferring not to be insulted by "three cheers for Romneycare." I mean, is there really credible evidence that Obama is not a U.S. citizen because that would be huge..


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1 posted on 03/21/2012 7:30:29 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Welcome to FR.

The definition of Natural Born Citizen is at the core of the issue.

Birthers believe that in order to Constitutionally qualify for the office of president one must be born on US soil of US citizen parents.

Others believe that any old anchor baby qualifies.


2 posted on 03/21/2012 7:34:35 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1156 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Human events didn’t debunk anything they just said blah blah blah he says so so he is a NBS now will all you doubters shut up

Colter is a mole for the left I am starting to think...


3 posted on 03/21/2012 7:36:00 PM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: null and void
Any old Anchor babies are NOT eligible.

Divided loyalties with divided citizenships. Yes PARENTS do matter. Other wise we could be ruled by a soviet/muslim plant! Like we are now!


How's that working out for us?

4 posted on 03/21/2012 7:39:06 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Mohammedan law every woman must belong to a man will delay the end of slavery until Islam has ceased)
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To: null and void

Thanks and I agree. I reject the notion babies born to foreign parents on US soil are automatically citizens much less qualified for office.


5 posted on 03/21/2012 7:42:16 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Okee Dokee nOOb.

The issue is his status as a “Natural Born Citizen”.

No one cares if he is citizen by birth or naturalized.

I’m at the disadvantage of being on my cell so I don’t have access to my files.

Someone will explain it to you.


6 posted on 03/21/2012 7:45:29 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

If you’re serious, and for what it’s worth (I’m currently agnostic on the subject) here’s a brief run down.

1) The original COLB was released on the Daily Kos. It then miraculously appeared a few days later on Obama’s website.

2) After spending $2 million of his own money defending lawsuits requesting that he release his long form BC, he finally releases one after The Donald mocks him (while letting an Army Colonel languish in prison for six months because he refused to show it).

3) Sheriff Joe’s “cold case posse” asked forensic graphics experts to examine the released long form BC and concluded that it was a forgery.

4) Obama was an Indonesian National when he was young. He traveled to Pakistan in 1981 (by his own admission) at a time when he could not have entered on a US passport.

5) He sealed, by his first executive order upon becoming President, ALL records from his past (School records, etc).

6) His Selective Service application has some anomolies including an obviously forged USPS date stamp.

7) Three men were busted during the 2008 nomination process breaking into the US Passport office specifically looking for Obama’s passport records (see 4). (one is now, mysteriously dead, shot in the head while sitting in his car in DC).

8) There appear to be numerous Social Security numbers linked to Obama, including some issued from states in which he never lived.

9) Obama hid his long time association with Bill Ayers (who wrote “Dreams of My Father” for him).

10) According to the INS, the records of ALL entries and exits into and out of the US for the supposed week of his birth (August 4, 1961) are missing from the archives (all the rest, for a 10 year period around that week, exist).

Obama has the most secretive past of any President in recent memory. The thinking is that where there’s smoke there’s fire.

Is it enough to draw a final conclusion on the subject? Some say yes, some no.

But it’s not crazy to want to continue to ask questions.


7 posted on 03/21/2012 7:46:12 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Okee Dokee nOOb.

The issue is his status as a “Natural Born Citizen”.

No one cares if he is citizen by birth or naturalized.

I’m at the disadvantage of being on my cell so I don’t have access to my files.

Someone will explain it to you.


8 posted on 03/21/2012 7:46:18 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
is there really credible evidence that Obama is not a U.S. citizen

I would word it differently. There is no credible evidence showing Obozo is a U.S. Citizen or a Natural Born U.S. Citizen. There are 2 obvious forgeries presented to represent his COLB. Neither are credible.

I have seen no evidence that makes me think he was born in Kenya, but it is possible. I suspect he might have been born in Canada, but no proof. I think it is probable that Barack H. Obama, Sr. is not his father. There are several suspected of actually knocking up Stanley Ann Dunham. No proof.

There is no hospital record of Obozo's birth in HI. None. So there is a legitimate question if he is qualified to hold the office he was elected to.

9 posted on 03/21/2012 7:46:49 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Breto

NBS ? Natural Bull Shiiter . No Barry Stereo. crab. I can’t think of anything funny.


10 posted on 03/21/2012 7:51:10 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Breto

NBS ? Natural Bull Shiiter . No Barry Stereo. crab. I can’t think of anything funny.


11 posted on 03/21/2012 7:51:31 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Breto

Thanks for the clarification, because that’s usually the line we get about global warming even when leaked emails were showing they cooked data. As for your tag, I was reading Levin’s new book Ameritopia and I’m just amazed that republicans in the establishment have no interest in small, limited government and candidate Romney will likely get the nomination, which will defintely keep me home in November.


12 posted on 03/21/2012 7:52:59 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

I call troll!

Romney may be a RINO, but anyone who would stay home and allow Dumb0 the Resident another 4 years to finish destroying America has drunk the Kool-Aid.


13 posted on 03/21/2012 8:02:36 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
He was born in Kenya

He grew-up in Indonesia and was adopted by an Indonesian and renounced his somewhat tenuous US citizenship.

He used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan as it would have been illegal for an American.

14 posted on 03/21/2012 8:04:35 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

http://theobamafile.com/index_next_eligibility.html

enjoy


15 posted on 03/21/2012 8:04:49 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Texas Fossil

It is a shame that a sheriff from Arizona has to point this out..the news media still have a thrill up there leg. There’s no accountability post-Clinton; everything is dominated by corruption and I want to research this a lot more.


16 posted on 03/21/2012 8:07:30 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: smokingfrog

Great idea.


17 posted on 03/21/2012 8:11:04 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Let me tell you something before I really hurt your feelings: I am not voting for a liberal RINO under any circumstance! You can sell your soul and your principles but I have just about had enough of the lesser of two evil nonsense. You lose; the left gets a marxist to run against liberal..either way true conservatism loses as the left pushes us further out.


18 posted on 03/21/2012 8:19:30 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: Vendome

I’m on my mobile too, send me the files when you get a chance.


19 posted on 03/21/2012 8:22:38 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

No problemo ....


20 posted on 03/21/2012 8:25:07 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

No problemo ....


21 posted on 03/21/2012 8:25:39 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Many before Sheriff Joe have spent huge amounts of time trying to resolve the absent history of Obozo.

Sheriff Joe has done a very good job adding to this.

I still dream of seeing him evicted from 1600 Penn. Ave. in handcuffs.

He is without a doubt a Fraud and Traitor.

Out Constitution is being systematically destroyed by the Dems with the help of some of the GOP. This cries for criminal charges and trials.

The Globalist Left and the Globalist Fascists Businessmen wish to destroy the most free nation in the world. That is the plan, we are not even players in their minds.


22 posted on 03/21/2012 8:27:32 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Vendome

Frued strikes again....meant NBC ( natural born citizen)


23 posted on 03/21/2012 8:27:32 PM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: Texas Fossil
I would word it differently. There is no credible evidence showing Obozo is a U.S. Citizen or a Natural Born U.S. Citizen. There are 2 obvious forgeries presented to represent his COLB. Neither are credible.

Why doesn't Obama show us the proof that he is eligible to be president?

24 posted on 03/21/2012 8:27:43 PM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: null and void

“The definition of Natural Born Citizen is at the core of the issue.”
______________________________________

That is just one of two issues, and there is a lot of confusion over the meaning.
Some claim that the issue is clear on “two citizen parents”,
but I have not seen any clarification of the matter.
Obama’s father was clearly not a US citizen.

The other issue is his place of birth and a LEGITIMATE
birth certificate.
Everything released by the administration seems to be
highly questionable as to authenticity.
On top of that, the purported birth hospital, Kapiolani
seems to be mute on the subject on grounds of confidentiality, but that could be cleared by Obama.

Everything about Obama’s birth and early childhood has been totally cloaked in secrecy. Why is that?


25 posted on 03/21/2012 8:31:15 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: tommix2

Because he cannot. Revealing his past would destroy him. Not revealing his past will eventually destroy him.

His past will literally devour him at some point.


26 posted on 03/21/2012 8:31:39 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

I watched his debate with Ted Kennedy in 94 and I remember him talking about how he was better on “gay rights,” I read his column he wrote as a private citizen calling the flat tax a “tax break for fatcats,” I recall him saying he didn’t support Reagan as an independent, I have read how his judicical appointments rule that schools must allow boys to wear skirts & nail polish to school, and Romneycare is the model for Obamacare. I’ve seen his questionare for planned parenthood. Please tell me how voting for a liberal is okay or justified..I dare say you’re the troll.


27 posted on 03/21/2012 8:34:32 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: Texas Fossil

Amen to that..that would be a day to rejoice.


28 posted on 03/21/2012 8:38:01 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Sorry Noob, no way someone who’s been here a week can “hurt my feelings”.

We try to nominate the most conservative candidate we can, and then vote ABO. Because there really is a difference.

Don’t expect me to come to your rescue when BATFE decides you’re a threat to the Won because you let the best become the enemy of the better and had a nose too pretty to plug when it comes to voting.

Win this one, and then win the next one. This fight has been going on for almost 80 years. It’s not going to end in November.


29 posted on 03/21/2012 8:38:13 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: Texas Fossil

We should relentlessly demand that he show us evidence that he is eligible to be president. He can not. So we continue to call him on it, without letup. And that includes all the people trying to get the Republican nomination. Anyone who has a soapbox and remains silent is guilty.


30 posted on 03/21/2012 8:41:16 PM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: AlexW
"Some claim that the issue is clear on “two citizen parents”, but I have not seen any clarification of the matter."

This might help 'clarify' the matter for you:

The Dirty “little” Secret Of The Natural Born Citizen Clause Revealed.

31 posted on 03/21/2012 8:42:27 PM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Most conservative, you say, but you overlook the glaring fact that Mitt Romney is not conservative..even you acknowledge he’s a RINO. How does voting for a liberal advance conservatism? That’s wrong on so many levels and I hope for a brokered convention.


32 posted on 03/21/2012 8:45:14 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
If you're seriously interested in the issue, there's an excellent link at post #15.

If you're a troll, you won't last the night in here.

I'm betting the latter, given your requesting that a FReeper send me the files, I'm on my phone as tho you were ordering a pizza and/or we exist to cater to your professed ignorance.

But I've already been wrong once this year, so will reserve judgement for the moment . . .

33 posted on 03/21/2012 8:45:41 PM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
Hello, new member from Mar 4, 2012.
If you are serious in your request, here's some information.
Someone said:
I responded:
The ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF has forged ...yes, I said FORGED, as in FRAUD, FALSE, ...he has FORGED not one, not two, BUT THREE FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES.


Here's something to ponder. Now think about those facts,and statements, then ...
Consider these witnesses:

Case CLOSED!!!

Now ... think about it.

34 posted on 03/21/2012 8:45:49 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
either way true conservatism loses as the left pushes us further out.I agree.
35 posted on 03/21/2012 8:46:38 PM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Actually, you sound ok so far .. welcome to FR


36 posted on 03/21/2012 8:51:53 PM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq)
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To: tommix2
"Anyone who has a soapbox and remains silent is guilty."

Amen, brother.

If the republicans refuse to uphold their sworn oath to protect and defend the Constitution, why should any Citizen award them their vote?

The only vote they'll get from me is Guilty!

37 posted on 03/21/2012 8:51:53 PM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
Let me tell you something before I really hurt your feelings: I am not voting for a liberal RINO under any circumstance! You can sell your soul and your principles ...

You and your "principles" are a threat to my children's future.

If you stay home this election, you are beneath contempt.

38 posted on 03/21/2012 8:52:20 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: tomkat

I am interested in whether the PRESIDENT of the United States is eligible and I’m not going to be demeaned for asking because you have mixed messages coming from Coulter..Ben Shapiro evenyt knocked the issue. I don’t support Romney and that’s final. I can hold my own.


39 posted on 03/21/2012 8:55:06 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

A brokered convention will go to the Rep Establishment candidate (which, if you haven’t noticed, is Romney). It will only serve to damage the brand and help Dumb0.

Would it be nice to have a strong, conservative candidate who can manage to get through three debates without looking like an idiot? Of course.

But you go to war with the army you’ve got. If Romney is the army I’ve got, I’ll vote for him to staunch the blood while continuing to search for a Grant to win the war.


40 posted on 03/21/2012 8:58:03 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
Coulter don't mean jack to me, Shapiro's either a whore or a coward, and I wouldn't leave Romney alone with children.

But you've got some backbone, and that'll serve both you and the cause well 'round here.

41 posted on 03/21/2012 9:01:18 PM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

There you go. Give it back! Maybe you were a Freeper and didn’t know it til you showed up here.


42 posted on 03/21/2012 9:02:41 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri; All
Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri has a history:
Well, Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri I hope you can live up to your pen name.
You should create your home page so we'll know how to take you.
43 posted on 03/21/2012 9:02:54 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

There you go. Give it back! Maybe you were a Freeper and didn’t know it til you showed up here.


44 posted on 03/21/2012 9:03:18 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: tsomer

Let me post Mitt Romney’s entire record and then let’s talk about who is destroying the country..you go vote for individual mandates and then pat yourself on the back..you are selling out conservatism so enjoy your Obamacare.


45 posted on 03/21/2012 9:04:11 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: Godebert

“This might help ‘clarify’ the matter for you:”
________________________________________

Well, yes and no.
Obviously, it would take the SCOTUS to affirm that, thereby
confirming that Obumbo is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

I see no indication that the court will even hear the matter.


46 posted on 03/21/2012 9:04:37 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
Could someone explain the issue of Obama's birth certificate?

The crux of the matter is that no proof of U.S citizenship; be it naturalized, natural, or natural born, has ever been presented by or for Obama. Sheriff Joe's volunteer posse has conclusively proven that Obama's latest proffered "birth certificate" is a forgery completely computer-generated. Further, his posse has uncovered gross fraud with other government records pertaining to Obama. This could only have been accomplished with Obama's express conspiracy.

So what we have is an illegal alien usurping the Office of the Presidency with the complicit treason of the Democrat Party (who certified to all the Several States that Obama was Constitutionally qualified for the office), The Justice Department (which refuses to investigate credible claims of treason), the entire Congress (whose members refused to challenge this treason), the entire Judicial Branch (which refuses to hear court challenges or dismisses them on technicalities), and all of the Several States (who refused to demand proof of Obama's citizenship).

Sheriff Joe has provided the Sovereign State of Arizona all that is needed to deny Obama's inclusion on the upcoming Presidential ballot. It Arizona behaves honorably and does so, his treason will finally be acted on. And a hell-storm Constitutional crises will be upon us.

47 posted on 03/21/2012 9:04:47 PM PDT by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: Breto

LOL!!!! I know and I still can’t think of anything funny. Something wring with my Ulna tonight....maybe....


48 posted on 03/21/2012 9:05:35 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Yosemitest

I will update my homepage soon, but I have been occupied with work and this is a tough, tough time for small business.


49 posted on 03/21/2012 9:10:36 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: tomkat; Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

LOL!!! Well, don’t give the guy a break or eve a welcome sign!

LOL

That’s what it’s like to be the FNG.


50 posted on 03/21/2012 9:11:47 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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