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This jobs report is bad news for Obama.(vanity)
Self | 4/6/2012 | Self

Posted on 04/06/2012 8:57:47 AM PDT by Signalman

Today's job report is bad news for Obama and the Dems. "Unexpectedly", only 120,000 jobs were created this month. Every projection I've heard in the last few days stated it was going to be well over 200,000.

Secondly, the unemployment rate did tick down 1/10th of a point to 8.2 percent. However, an economist I just heard on the radio stated that the only reason this occurred is because more people have exhausted their unemployment benefits. And as we all know, the Labor Dept. doesn't take into account those individuals when it computes the unemployment rate.

Additionally, at 8.2 percent the UE rate is,by historical standards, considered to be quite high.

So despite the MSM's best efforts to show otherwise, this report is a definite bummer for Obie and the Dems.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: economy; jobs
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1 posted on 04/06/2012 8:57:59 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Signalman
"However, an economist I just heard on the radio stated that the only reason this occurred is because more people have exhausted their unemployment benefits. And as we all know, the Labor Dept. doesn't take into account those individuals when it computes the unemployment rate. "

That is just plain wrong, i.e. not correct. Unemployment benifits have nothing to do with it. The reason the unemployment number dropped is because more and more people have dropped out of the work force and are no longer counted as being in the workforce (unemployed or employed).

The unemployment rate is a simple calculation: (unemployed) / (size of participating workforce)

2 posted on 04/06/2012 9:04:55 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Signalman

I disagree.

Very few people in this math challenged country understand what you have pointed out.

The MSM trumpets the “drop” in the rate and that’s all 98% of the populace hears.

You will always lose if you overestimate the intelligence of the average American as you have just done.


3 posted on 04/06/2012 9:06:59 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
The peeps understand that people drop out of the job market ~ many of them have done so.

They also know what $9 a gallon gas means ~ even the Democrats will be hunting down Democrat politicians in the streets with pitchforks!

4 posted on 04/06/2012 9:10:10 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: avacado
Unemployment benefits have nothing to do with it.

Ah! But they do! When unemployment benefits run out the person is no longer counted as unemployed. So the unemployed pool shrinks by one. That's is not honest accounting but then who would expect such a thing from this administration anyway?

5 posted on 04/06/2012 9:10:26 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: muawiyah
even the Democrats will be hunting down Democrat politicians in the streets with pitchforks!

That sounds like a threat. We clearly need pitchfork registration and pitchfork control laws. And no concealed pitchfork carrying allowed!

6 posted on 04/06/2012 9:13:03 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: ChildOfThe60s
The MSM trumpets the “drop” in the rate and that’s all 98% of the populace hears.

While I agree that there are many voters who just accept the pablum that is fed to them by the MSM, I'm more optimistic that there is a larger percentage of voters that are smart enough to understand what's really going on, especially if whomever is nominated as the GOP candidate can explain it convincingly.
7 posted on 04/06/2012 9:14:17 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: muawiyah

I agree with you on the gas.

I still have a very low regard for the reasoning capabilities and conceptual skills of the average American.

And you can forget the notion that the average Democrat could understand the BLS numbers game. Show ‘em Shadow Stats and you’ll see glazed eyes and drool dripping from the mouth.


8 posted on 04/06/2012 9:16:46 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Signalman
The Democrats would propagandize it anyhow and say to ignore the unemployment numbers as s "strong majority" of people are working anyhow.


9 posted on 04/06/2012 9:17:43 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrat Ku Klux Klan is alive and well as the New Black Panthers, CBC and the NAACP)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Sorry, nothing is bad news for obie. The smartest man in the world is skating no matter what he says or does. He’ll probably end up being lauded like the kennedy clan when it’s all over. Only a few of us will know what a real perverted scum bag he was/is. Gas prices MUST rise but we are producing more oil than ever. HUH? Maybe on private land but on OUR federal land it is dropping rapidly. After all, he got the Nobel peace prize for never having done anything. As far as the BLS numbers, we all know they are BS. My wife lost her job 2 years ago and does NOT file for benefits. So she is one of those not counted but still not working.


10 posted on 04/06/2012 9:18:10 AM PDT by rktman
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Thing is, it is getting so bad that personal experience is starting to trump what the MSM says. The MSM has jumped many sharks in this and more and more are noticing it.

You can’t get away with indefinitely telling a stupid man that the flooding is going down as he continues to watch the water level in his living room rise. Eventually he will believe his eyes more than what you are telling him.

And he will be pissed. At you.


11 posted on 04/06/2012 9:18:18 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
But they do!

No, they don't. There are various reasons the BLS does not factor unemployment compensation (who is receiving it, who is not, who is no longer, etc.) into the calculation of the unemployment rate, and there is a FAQ section on the BLS website that explains why.

The primary source of confusion appears (to me, at least) to be not understanding what constitutes "labor force participation."

12 posted on 04/06/2012 9:19:17 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Ah! But they do! When unemployment benefits run out the person is no longer counted as unemployed.

Wrong. The unemployment figure is calculated from a statistical survey of households (I think the number is around 80,000) from across the country. You can be unemployed and collecting benefits, unemployed and not collecting benefits (out for too long, quit job, not yet hired out of school, not covered by unemployment insurance), not "unemployed" but collecting unemployment benefits (back in school, lying to state officials about how hard you are searching). The last is harder because those who are collecting unemployment benefits will tell everyone who calls about how hard they are looking for a job, just in case the state office is calling to check.

The qualifications to still be in the labor pool are pretty low. You just had to actively look for a job sometime in the past 4 weeks, so if you made even one call, mailed one resume or posted your resume online since March 9 you are looking for a job. Looking at the classifieds or job offers on line doesn't count.

13 posted on 04/06/2012 9:21:02 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: rktman
My wife lost her job 2 years ago and does NOT file for benefits. So she is one of those not counted but still not working.

Again, no. If she is "actively looking for work" she'd be counted. You can argue that the government is messing with what constitutes "actively," but that's entirely separate from (incorrectly) believing that her unemployment compensation, or lack thereof, has anything to do with it.

14 posted on 04/06/2012 9:24:14 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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FWIW...If I recall correctly, SELF Employed people and those who worked for NON-Profits do NOT get Unemployment!


15 posted on 04/06/2012 9:27:59 AM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: goodnesswins

What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?

The UI figures are not produced by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Statistics on insured unemployment in the United States are collected as a by-product of UI programs. Workers who lose their jobs and are covered by these programs typically file claims ("initial claims") that serve as notice that they are beginning a period of unemployment. Claimants who qualify for benefits are counted in the insured unemployment figures (as "continued claims"). Data on UI claims are maintained by the Employment and Training Administration, an agency of the U.S. Department of Labor, and are available on the Internet at: http://workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/unemploy/claims.asp.

These data are not used to measure total unemployment because they exclude several important groups. To begin with, not all workers are covered by UI programs. For example, self-employed workers, unpaid family workers, workers in certain not-for-profit organizations, and several other small (primarily seasonal) worker categories are not covered. In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Bureau of Labor Statistics


16 posted on 04/06/2012 9:31:42 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Why can’t they just divide the number of social security contributors by the census calculated number of people of working age?


17 posted on 04/06/2012 9:44:02 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Signalman

The stock market futures look ugly right now because of disappointing jobs data. Look out below on Monday.


18 posted on 04/06/2012 9:44:32 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

That would apply only for “Sawed off pitchforks” ~ your full sized “Long stock pitchforks” are OK ~ no way to conceal them.


19 posted on 04/06/2012 10:45:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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20 posted on 04/06/2012 10:46:15 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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