Yes you did, but later in the message. I respond by reading from the top down and typing my comments regarding what I had just read.
You are setting up a false choice between Obama Sr. and Davis as if for some reason it is only one or the other.
Stanley Ann in August in Seattle was seen with a healthy baby for which we have no reason to believe was not full-term.
So the screwing she was getting at Christmas from Davis was not the cause of the baby.
The pictures were taken BEFORE Christmas, (the presents are all wrapped up.) I would suggest the earliest the pictures could have been taken would have been just after Thanksgiving, but more like mid December. It is irrelevant to the point. At this time, Ann was supposed to be seeing Barack, yet there she is, naked in Davis' house.
The pictures only indicate the general time. By the time they were taken, they could have been playing bouncy bed for months. By the time they were taken, she was already pregnant.
You offer no rational basis for ruling out Obama Sr.
See comment above.
And then you come up with this truly unbelievable and irrational story about Obama Sr. agreeing to legally be the father of some local baby in exchange for a few bills as if he was some homeless bum living on the beach.
Seriously? THAT is the part of the theory you have a problem with? That Barack Obama Sr was too much of a Gentleman to be involved in such a con? That his honor would be demeaned or something? The guy worked for low wages in a pineapple processing facility during the following summer! He complained to the newspaper about how EXPENSIVE it was to live in Hawaii, and how he was just barely making it!
Apart from that, you don't know how much money was offered, and likewise the deal to dip his wick was also an incentive. Stanley Ann was probably the first white woman he ever bonked, and if you have any black friends, you know that they regard having a White Woman as a status symbol.
Sign some documents, pretend (in front of the girl's family) that you are married, get money and sex with a young white woman. Yeah, I can't see how he would ever stoop so low as to take such a deal. You're right, that is the weak spot of the theory.
We are not talking about Obama Sr at a later point in time. And when Obama Sr. FIRST got back to Kenya, he had a promising future ahead of him. It was only LATER that he became washed up.
We are talking about when Obama Sr. was at U of H. Here, he was a top student looking forward to getting a PhD at Harvard or some other equivalent university.
He imagined himself going back to Kenya as Dr. Obama, PhD in economics where he would be a high government official and people would gather at his feet and he would explain the mysteries of economics and how he would show them the way to socialist prosperity.
It would seem he had a lot of delusions. Perhaps he was not so smart as you seem to think he was.
Furthermore, from all accounts he had a personal sense of superiority.
Obviously too high and mighty to be interested in a white woman. Oh, wait...
The story that he was the type of person who would accept some money to pretend to be the legal father of a baby that he did not believe was his is utterly absurd and contrary to everything known about him.
You don't know him. You are just making assumptions about how you THINK he will behave. I would say nothing in his subsequent life indicates to me that he wouldn't have jumped at such an offer. That he was inclined towards socialism ought to tell you right away he was an idiot. That he lied on his Visa application (to get into the country) ought to tell you that he was a liar. I don't know why you think so highly of his character. Nothing in his subsequent life illustrates any self deprivation or self control.
You are trying to mislead and confuse people by anachronistically importing later elements of his life as if they were relevant to what happened in early 1961.
That later in life he was a washed-up bum has NOTHING to do with it.
Au contraire, mon frère. It is perfectly consistent with the notion that bad people come to bad ends. I am merely pointing out that had he been such an upright person as you seem to feel he was, he would not have ended up so badly later on in life.
What, did the older washed-up Obama Sr. get in a time machine and go back in time and replace the younger, ambitious, conceited, successful student Obama Sr. in 1961?
Not at all. It merely indicates that he wasn't so great in the first place. You do know that he lied about his age on various documents in his INS report? Who would have ever thought that a socialistic liar and playboy would have ended up badly?
Similarly, what he was or wasn't doing in 1964 to try to stay in the country longer has NO LOGICAL CONNECTION to the story you are imagining of Obama Sr. in early 1961 agreeing to take some money from locals in order to play the legal father of some girl's child.
You may not have read as much on this as have I, but I recall reading that he wanted to stay in the country permanently. Perhaps he thought America was a much nicer place to live than the Kenya of the 1960s. (Indeed, people in Kenya were getting killed around that time.)
Was he really? Without a paternity test and without knowing whether there were even more black guys beyond Obama Sr. and Davis whom she might have been doing, none of us can say for certain.
But the evidence points to Obama Sr., at least initially, believing he was the father of the baby.
What evidence? If you assume that the long form birth certificate has some basis in fact, it becomes apparent that Barack wasn't even present at the baby's birth. People have made a lot about the entry of "African" under "race", and "Kenya, East Africa" under Country, and how his age was wrong, but all of this makes sense if you consider that he probably didn't even bother showing up for the birth. If the document was filled out by Stanley Ann, or Grandma Dunham, it is not odd that it would be less than accurate.
He didn't give a crap about the baby. He didn't give a crap about Stanley Ann either. Everything he did indicates that he didn't give a crap about either one of them.
A more logical explanation for why Obama Sr. married her in early 1961 but by August 1961 wanted little to do with her or the baby is that HE FOUND OUT MORE ABOUT HER.
He may well have gotten wind of her and Davis' activities and maybe other dudes as well. He might have been arguing by the time August rolled around that maybe the baby was his, maybe it wasn't.
That would be consistent with the facts, rather than pretending Obama Sr. was some kind of bum in early 1961 whom some sharp locals could talk into holding the bag as the legal father of a local girl's baby.
It was a "bag" with no downside for him. Free money and Free Sex with a young white woman? Yeah, he wouldn't want any of that at the expense of his "honor".
Here you are again, with the either/or assumption.
The evidence points to the fact that she and Obama Sr. did hook up.
That doesn't mean she wasn't also doing Davis.
And it may well be that when Obama Sr. found out she had been doing Davis, that at that point he decided he wanted nothing more to do with her.
Think about this: It may well have been DAVIS himself who told Obama Sr. that Davis had been doing Stanley Ann.
Given Obama Sr.'s air of superiority, he may well have given off the impression that as a Luo African, he was superior to the run-of-the-mill American blacks descended from slaves.
Perhaps Davis wanted to put the conceited African in his place.
I am not saying that Obama Sr was "too much of a gentleman" to play the role that you imagine for him.
I am saying your story that this successful, ambitious, self-superior African student who was looking forward to becoming Dr. Obama and returning to Kenya as a leader would be the type of person who would be slipped a few bills in order to legally pretend to be the father of a local girl's baby is absurd.
The fact that he earned some extra money in a pineapple plant doesn't make your story any less ridiculous.
That doesn't make him into some bum whom some locals could make into "signing some documents" claiming to be the father of someone he knew he wasn't the father of.
For someone who was on his way to an elite academic career followed by an elite government career in his home country, this notion that Obama would agree to hold the bag for some local family's teenager problem is just nonsense.
That the notorious playboy Obama recklessly and unintentionally got someone pregnant, or believed he did, IS in fact believable and consistent with everything known about him.
You are just making assumptions about how you THINK he will behave
Talk about making assumptions!! Here you are spinning some fantasy about how a guy who viewed himself as an elite student in Hawaii for only a short time as a university student on the way to an elite career back in his home country would nevertheless consciously and intentionally become permanently involved in the problems of some local family by legally pretending to be the father of their child. It's nonsense.
What evidence?
He married her in early 1961. Are you claiming he did NOT marry her?
While before all of the immigration documents and the divorce documents came out, I can understand people saying there was never a marriage at all, whether with full paperwork or something less.
But after the immigration documents were revealed, unless you are saying the references to the marriage are all faked, they did consider themselves married.
And the evidence points to Stanley Ann being in love with and maybe even obsessed with the guy. We know this from the way she raised little Barry to worship the ground he walked on.
So according to your theory, Stanley Ann was in love with the guy and they considered themselves married, yet we should discard the possibility that he might actually be the father of their child, or at least that he believed he was the father of their child?
That's simply irrational.
I recall reading that he wanted to stay in the country permanently.
I have read quite a bit about this and have never seen anything to support this in EARLY 1961. Whether at a later point in time he wanted to stay and make his home here permanently is not relevant to what we are debating.
He didn't give a crap about the baby. He didn't give a crap about Stanley Ann either.
That is certainly true by August 1961. But that was necessarily true in February 1961 or in November 1960.