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America v. The Uncreated Koran
The Creators (adapted) | 1992 | Daniel J. Boorstin

Posted on 06/10/2012 3:23:57 AM PDT by Jacquerie

Our differences with islam derive from within the roots of our national being, Christianity. It does not matter if one is agnostic or atheist; every American should be thankful our earliest explorers and settlers were Christian and not muslim. Fortunately, there was little danger of that happening, for the act of discovery is anathema to islam, as the following will show.

Creation itself is unappealing to islam. The first evidence is their view of holy scripture. Understand that Mohammed is not the muslim Jesus. We believe in the Incarnation, the taking on of human form by Jesus. Muslims believe in Inlibration, the embodiment of God in a Book. The mystery we feel toward Jesus the Christ is what muslims feel toward their book. Recall that at Club Gitmo, our military guards went so far as to wear clean white gloves when handing filthy terrorists their book. In their minds, we infidels could do no less.

If allah in a book is difficult to comprehend, consider the uncreated koran. Huh? Yes, uncreated, for passages in the koran suggest it had existed from eternity. For a couple hundred years after Mohammed, many thousands of men died fighting in support or denial of this tenet. By the mid-ninth century it was accepted that it was not created. The koran is eternal. It preexists everything else.

IOW, Islam exempted their holy script from the work of creation.

Consider from Genesis that God did a lot of work Himself in six days. He did order some work be done by fiat, such as light (Genesis 1:3 “Let there be light: and there was light.) After that, he rested. In the Bible, the Creation in the first Chapter of Genesis is an historic event, prologue to all the rest of the history chronicled in The Book. But there is a vast difference in emphasis between the acts of Creation in the Bible and koran.

The koranic god did not rest, for he could never be tired:

We created the heavens
And the earth and all
Between them in six days
Nor did any sense
Of weariness touch Us.
(Surah L, 38)

It is no wonder the koranic god was not wearied. For he created not by making anything, but by ordering, not by work but by command. The creation of anything occurs when he decrees it into being.

To Him is due
The primal origin
Of the heavens and the earth
When he decreeth a matter,
He saith to it: “Be,”
And it is.

(Surah II, 117)

In the koran, the six “days” of Creation are not the beginning of a story but “signs” of allah’s omnipotence and his claim to our obedience. After six days of fiat, the god of the koran, having no need to rest, simply mounted the throne of authority. From there he continued to rule by decree over life and death and every earthly act.

The relation of the muslim god to his creature man, is quite unbiblical. The uniqueness of the biblical Creator-God was in his powers of making; the uniqueness of man and woman too would be in their power to imitate their God and after their fashion to exercise the power of Creation. After God created the species in the Beginning, He blessed them to be fruitful and multiply; He made them so that each procreated after its kind (Genesis 1:22). This spectacle of Creation shaped Western man’s thinking.

In the koran, allah’s fiat recurs in the conception and gestation of every human being, in every repetitive phenomenon of nature. Again and again, allah gives his order, “Be,” and it is, for each stage in man’s growth. Every such decree of re-creation provides an additional sign of allah’s power and authority.

Why did God create man? The God of the Bible would judge man by his fulfillment of his Godlike image.

Not so in islam.

“I have only created
Jinns and men, that
They may serve Me.
I created the Jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me.
(Surah LI, 56)

Since allah would judge men only by their attitudes toward him, Muslims do not like to be called Mohammedans. It is a kind of sacrilege, implying that any man, even the prophet himself, could claim submission due to allah alone. The people of the koran prefer to call themselves muslims, from “islam,” the Arabic word for submission or obedience. The koran repeatedly reminds us that allah’s creatures are also his servants or slaves.

What clearer warning against reaching for the new? For a believing muslim, to create is a rash and dangerous act.


TOPICS: Reference; Religion
KEYWORDS: christianity; constitution; islam; republic
Islam means obedience, the way a slave obeys, and faces certain wrath from his master if he doesn’t. This god to man relationship translates to the simple fact that islamic nations are predisposed to authoritarian governments. It goes down to the family, where while the father has zero political rights, he has near absolute life and death power over his wives, sons and daughters. They are fatalistic. Not my fault, “it is allah’s will.” It is also why islamic countries are generally simple sh!tholes, for where allah commands and determines all, the individual is not predisposed to creatively improve the lot of himself, family, community or country. It is islam that for a thousand years stifled the very God given creativity that encouraged Western peoples to think, explore and produce the civil society and modern wonders we take for granted.

Where the creation of our republic was a conscious act consistent with and supportive of Biblical teachings, islam is hostile to our Constitution and cannot be made to work within republican America.

Islam cannot be imposed upon a people who love their Creator God rather than fear a tyrannical god. Islam can only prosper where self love and love of God are absent. Where this love ends tyranny begins. It is why islam grows like a deadly virus in once Christian America.

1 posted on 06/10/2012 3:24:10 AM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie

There are as yet those of us who believe that our Redeemer liveth.

And we will therefore never “submit”. Deus vult!


2 posted on 06/10/2012 3:35:12 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!")
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To: elcid1970
Islam is a free license to kill, rape, murder and torture
3 posted on 06/10/2012 3:42:26 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (B B)
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To: Jacquerie
"We created the heavens

And the earth and all

Between them in six days

Nor did any sense

Of weariness touch Us.

(Surah L, 38)

muslims call Christian polytheistic because of the Trinity. I wonder if any islamic scum could explain the plural pronouns in the passage cited above.

4 posted on 06/10/2012 3:57:56 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: Jacquerie
Muslims do not like to be called Mohammedans....

Well, how about "believers" who worship a Black Rock (Meteorite) located in the Kaba in Mecca.

Said Black Rock was worshiped by the pagan tribes for centuries before Moo-Ham-Ud made an appearance.

Thus one must ask, why the Mooselimbs continue to worship this Pagan symbol?

The psychotic, murdering, degenerate, "Profit" divined this so-called cult in order to provide him "cover" and "legitimacy" for his deviant, criminal, endeavors and lifestyle.

He took bits and pieces from Christianity and Judaism and adopted them to his benefit.

Speaking of "Mohammedans," I wonder what the Mooselimbs thought of what one of the Greatest Statesmen in the 20th C. had to say about them:?

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step;

and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

Winston Churchill 1899

5 posted on 06/10/2012 4:10:31 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Yeah, Churchill nailed it.


6 posted on 06/10/2012 4:42:32 AM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves)
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To: ronnie raygun

Exactly! If a man is a muslim, he is free to murder his wives and daughters. He is free to murder any non-muslim.

Muslims are encouraged to marry within their own tribe. They marry their cousins. They not only breed psychopaths, they inbreed psychopaths.


7 posted on 06/10/2012 6:28:20 AM PDT by abclily
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To: Jacquerie

Who or what are Jinns? And why do they come before men?


8 posted on 06/10/2012 6:43:17 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: Jacquerie
We created the heavens And the earth and all Between them in six days Nor did any sense Of weariness touch Us. (Surah L, 38) It is no wonder the koranic god was not wearied. For he created not by making anything, but by ordering, not by work but by command. The creation of anything occurs when he decrees it into being. Well, lost me when you trumpet "allah ordered" yet the surah clearly states "created" .
9 posted on 06/10/2012 6:55:14 AM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: fella

Jinn are “genies” (pl. Djinn, sing Djinni). According to Islamic myth they were the first created.


10 posted on 06/10/2012 7:21:54 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Jacquerie
The Torah was written "974 generations" before the universe was created and the universe is derived from it. Furthermore, Judaism (and Noachism) is a statutory religion.

I suggest that in searching for The Truth, the religious persuasion of the people who discovered, settled, and founded America has nothing more to do with the issue than the religion of the people who founded Saudi Arabia or Nepal.

To worship the "American 'gxd'" (or any national "gxd") is to engage in henotheism and idolatry.

11 posted on 06/10/2012 7:22:51 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“I suggest that in searching for The Truth, the religious persuasion of the people who discovered, settled, and founded America has nothing more to do with the issue than the religion of the people who founded Saudi Arabia or Nepal. “

Assuming you are an American, that is a frightening statement.


12 posted on 06/10/2012 7:33:29 AM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves)
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To: Jacquerie; wideawake
Assuming you are an American, that is a frightening statement.

A frightening statement? What's frightening is you thinking my statement is frightening.

G-d has been around a lot longer than the United States of America. Every human being, and every creature, owes fealty, obedience, and worship to the One True G-d, regardless of what country or civilization he is a product of. Only a utilitarian atheist or henotheist would think otherwise.

When you die G-d isn't going to ask you if you were loyal to the religion of the country of your birth. He's going to ask you if you were loyal to HIM.

13 posted on 06/10/2012 10:11:29 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Jacquerie

Very odd article.

Islam is not the same as Christianity.

I’m shocked.

I’m looking forward to similar essays proving that Hindus, Sikhs, Zoroastrians and Buddhists differ from Christians.


14 posted on 06/10/2012 10:38:18 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

“Very odd article.”

Get back to me when you finish reading it.


15 posted on 06/10/2012 12:29:01 PM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Jacquerie

I agree, as usual, with ZC on this one. The opinions of the Founders in religion are material with regard to understanding the quality of their decisions - but utterly irrelevant with regard to establishing the truth, the absolute truth, in religious matters. It is unamerican to view the founders as gods instead of men.


16 posted on 06/11/2012 6:09:44 PM PDT by wideawake
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