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Hard Times Rifles.
Open Source Survival site ^ | June 10, 2012 | Brother Rat

Posted on 06/11/2012 8:27:39 AM PDT by Lowell1775

Well the Big Brown Truck of happiness, dropped off the scope and rings I ordered a while ago. This is what I settled on for the Hard times rifle in the optics department, based on the following Philosophy of the Modern Longhunter and anticipated uses/needs.

Function and Feature priority

A manual action rifle, capable of engaging small game up to White Tailed Deer sized medium game at 25-500 yards.

Magazine or stripper clip fed

Mid range optic capable

Back up Iron sights standard

An easily procurable caliber with lots of reload data

Under 8lb with optic and magazine

Low recoil

Proven action design

Capable of homestead defense in a pinch

What we settled on for the platform was the outstanding CZ 550 rifle, in the FS or Mannlicher Stock variant. The caliber is .243 Winchester.

The optic choice took me several months, trying to decide in the end between Burris, Leupold and Nikon. The Leupold scope won out, the VX-3 1.5-5x to be exact. Its small size fits the rifles profile and shape well. The scope is typical of Leupold in being extremely clear and bright. On 1.5x it is most suitable for close quarters defense if needed and the 5x gives me enough confidence to engage marauding Coyotes out to 500M. I chose the German #4 reticule, having not used one in the past, time at the range this weekend will determine if I like it as much as I think I will.

I mounted the Leupold in Talley CZ specific quick release rings (This was not an outwardly frugal choice, but given the old world quality of rifle and the amount spent on glass I decided to “Buy once, Cry once”). These rings give me the ability to remove the scope in about 15 seconds and go to Irons.

All up weight with sling and 4 rounds of .243 s 8lbs / 1 oz! This is the same as the Ruger Gunsite with sling and empty magazine with no optic or rail! This is an accurate, fast and reliable practical rifle that won’t wear you down. It hits harder and further than the average 5.56 “assault rifle”, and with more magnification would be keeping up with most .308win bolt guns out to 800M.

If your survival plans are concerned more with having multiple use tools than fighting pitched gun battles with hordes of mutant biker zombie U.N Troops, then I highly recommend looking at CZ rifles and Leupold scopes to build your Hard-Times-Rifle.


TOPICS: Hobbies; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; cz; prepping; rifles; ruger
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To: gundog

It has a very thin coating on the wood. It’s not bare, but just barely not.


41 posted on 06/12/2012 12:58:48 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Lowell1775; Squantos; Travis McGee
Both good ideas for arming yourself without spending $2,500 on a black rifle and optics that make you stand out like Darth Vader at a Cub Scout meeting.

I've got just a bit over $400 spent in the build of my most recent *black rifle,* actually more of a green rifle, since it's a pretty close dupilcate of a Canadian Army C8A1 carbine. And so far as looking like Darth vader at a Cub Scout meeting, I'd rather look like Porky Pig in a mosque.


42 posted on 06/12/2012 7:05:59 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Lowell1775

.243 is a fantastic caliber. Savage rifles can take an aftermarket Choate folding stock, producing a 700 yard sniper rifle that can fit into a backpack or valise.


43 posted on 06/13/2012 4:55:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Yo-Yo

In my experience, .243 is available anywhere you can buy the other common rounds such as 30-06, 308, .223, 30-30 etc.


44 posted on 06/13/2012 4:57:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Don’t know if you sit in the rain, have the gun in and out of a safe, etc, but I know mine wasn’t a great stock and suspect that’s why someone sold it...couldn’t get it to zero. Free-floating it fixed that, but it was still visible for miles if it moved. Mine looks so good now that I’m tempted to make a multi-city loop looking for cheap Winchesters I can doll up.


45 posted on 06/13/2012 11:44:45 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: gundog
I've fired this about 20 times and get good groups out as far as I think I'll need. Paper targets for now. Venison this fall, I hope.
46 posted on 06/13/2012 12:24:51 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
There's deer in the Ozarks? :)
47 posted on 06/13/2012 12:49:41 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
There's deer in the Ozarks? :)
48 posted on 06/13/2012 12:50:30 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: gundog

Yes.
They’re the size of big dogs...


49 posted on 06/13/2012 1:15:52 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: .45 Long Colt
Head out to the pistol range at your local gun club with a shovel and a framed piece of rat wire. You can mine all the lead you could possibly need. A neighbor (in his 70s!) did just that for a few days. Sold a ton to the local metal recycler and kept about 3/4 of a ton for future needs.

BTW, I don't know what they're using these days, but the day of the lead wheel weight is about over. For the environment, don'cha know.

50 posted on 06/13/2012 1:18:35 PM PDT by kitchen (America or obama - you can't have both.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Excuse the late post; I’m googling my account on FR and this came up.

I went through hell trying to zero my scope on the Ranger. Turns out the cheap stock was warped pretty hard to one side. Sanded it to get free-float and it worked fine. I’ve since bought a walnut stock, but might throw the beater back on there for hunting.


51 posted on 05/14/2019 6:26:57 PM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Thought it might be a repeat. Still have the rifle?


52 posted on 05/14/2019 7:30:58 PM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: gundog

Wow. An oldy of a thread.

L


53 posted on 05/14/2019 7:39:45 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Lurker

How did you find it? Lurking? I got to poking around on Google.

I should go search the archives for some of SWAMPSNIPER’s stuff.

Remember a Freeper called DWSUWF?


54 posted on 05/14/2019 8:39:37 PM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: gundog

“How did you find it?“

I click on almost all of the gun related threads. I noticed this one was from 2012. Swampsniper is missed, that’s for sure.

And sorry, I don’t remember DWSUWF. There have been so many over the years. I particularly miss Harpseal and Coyote, myself.

L


55 posted on 05/14/2019 8:51:29 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Lurker

Divided We Stand.... He was fun to read. I think he’d find current events quite interesting, assuming that he’s no longer with us.


56 posted on 05/14/2019 8:55:56 PM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: gundog

We’ve lost lots of good Freepers over the years, one way or another. I can’t believe I’ve been annoying folks here for over 20 years.

L


57 posted on 05/14/2019 8:58:00 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Lurker

From Clinton to Trump. And nearly from Clinton to Rodham-Clinton.


58 posted on 05/14/2019 9:40:29 PM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: gundog

Which rifle ?
I’ve lost track...


59 posted on 05/15/2019 4:21:09 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Winchester 70 Ranger in .243


60 posted on 05/15/2019 8:10:07 AM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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