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Vaccines And Autism: The Secret That You Are Not Supposed To Know
End of the American dream ^ | 21st June 2012 | N/A

Posted on 06/24/2012 1:15:35 AM PDT by yank in the UK

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To: agere_contra
My nephew became autistic soon after being vaccinated.

There is an autistic child in my neighborhood...the guilt-ridden mother is now the local 'bitch from hell'...takes it out on every one else because she is having trouble dealing with what she did...

51 posted on 06/24/2012 4:32:28 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: spokeshave

Well: all these vaccines have one adjuvant or another: designed to ramp up immune response to the antigen. Squalene is one, Aluminium Hydroxide is another.

It’s that heightened adjuvant response to a given antigen which *may* be the common factor; it might not be any given adjuvant.


52 posted on 06/24/2012 4:35:38 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: zzeeman
After years of fluoride in the water, CDC - just recently warned not to mix it with baby formula.
53 posted on 06/24/2012 4:37:33 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk
I didn't hear about that CDC announcement, I'll have to look it up.

But yes, water fluoridation is another example -- how many times have you heard people tell you “the gubmint wouldn't do it if it was bad for people...” or “you must be a tin-foil hatter if you think the doctors and gubmint are lying...”

54 posted on 06/24/2012 4:44:04 AM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: yank in the UK

+1. Friend with the same experience. Unfortunately there are other factors beyond that one event: drinking city water, consuming processed foods, bottle feeding, etc. Hard to say exact pathway to autism.


55 posted on 06/24/2012 4:44:38 AM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: yank in the UK
That was metaphorically speaking smarta$$

Oh, okay. Science is now a metaphor.

And, you claim I am in the Autism spectrum....!

56 posted on 06/24/2012 4:47:10 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: yank in the UK

I’m so sorry about your boys. My nephew was brain-damage by his DPT shot. He began having seizures immmediately after the shot, and he began regressing and stopped speaking. He’s now 28, and functions at the level of a 4 year old. He began speaking very early.

My son had a severe reaction to HIS DPT shot, his leg ballooned up and he was screaming a high-pitched scream. I discontinued his shots after that. He has been diagnosed as Aspberger/ADHD. He is fortunately high-functioning, and is extremely intelligent.


57 posted on 06/24/2012 4:54:01 AM PDT by Politicalmom (THIS IS NOT A GOP CHEERLEADING SITE!!!)
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To: who knows what evil?

“There is an autistic child in my neighborhood...the guilt-ridden mother is now the local ‘bitch from hell’...takes it out on every one else because she is having trouble dealing with what she did...”

What did she do? Did she deliberately cause her child to have Autism? I can understand her frustration, and being a bitch from hell about it. It is a very bad situation to be in, having autistic children, it makes you feel hopeless.
Knowing your child will probably never have any kind of normal life, and you will spend the rest of your life caring for them, they will never leave the nest, have a career, or a family, and will probably never accomplish anything meaningful. They are cold and emotionless, almost without a soul. It’s really hard on the parents. The worst part is trying to imagine what’s going to happen to them after you pass away, prison? Hospital? Institution? It’s not a pretty reality.
The woman is a bitch from hell, I can understand and appreciate that, don’t hold it against her, try to put yourself in her situation.


58 posted on 06/24/2012 4:54:43 AM PDT by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: yank in the UK

What is different about vaccines today than when we were growing up?


59 posted on 06/24/2012 5:00:26 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Politicalmom
” My nephew was brain-damage by his DPT shot. He began having seizures immmediately after the shot”

My sons were made ill after the MMR shots, before we even left the clinic they were breaking out. They were both sick for a few days after that.
They have never spoken another word since that day, and have never been the same since. Cognitively they will always be little children, and will be incontinent for the rest of their lives.
I must be crazy to believe it had anything to do with the MMR injection.

60 posted on 06/24/2012 5:02:33 AM PDT by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: yank in the UK
How do you account for the millions of children who get the same shots your sons did and DON'T get autism? Again, use science not metaphors.

BTW, did your sons get the shot from the same batch and at the same time? Your posts suggest as much.

61 posted on 06/24/2012 5:06:23 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
“What is different about vaccines today than when we were growing up?”

I had a retired medical professional tell me that much has changed with vaccines since we were kids (like everything else) they have became more advanced and elaborate, from what I understood they have concentrated many into one, and from what she told me they are using aluminium as a binding agent.
I'm not as informed as she is, so I can't go into detail like she did, but if you are implying that there is no difference in the vaccines then and now then you would be mistaken.

62 posted on 06/24/2012 5:08:01 AM PDT by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: neverdem

Haven’t we been through this already???


63 posted on 06/24/2012 5:08:42 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Moonman62

I was going to ask exactly what is autism and how is it diagnosed? Seems the rate of children with autism has exploded.


64 posted on 06/24/2012 5:09:56 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: raybbr

“BTW, did your sons get the shot from the same batch and at the same time? Your posts suggest as much.”

No they did not get the shots at the same time, but it was close because they are 11 months apart in age. It was done at the same clinic though, and with the same results.
I can’t say why it does not have the same affect on ALL the kids that have had the MMR jab, I’m not a Heath professional or a scientist. What I do know is that 1 in 8 kids in my area have been diagnosed, and show signs.
I objected to having my youngest receive the MMR after what happened with my oldest, but you can’t say no to the NHS, they will have your kids taken away by social services if you don’t subject your kids to the injections. It’s a damn if you do, damn if you don’t situation


65 posted on 06/24/2012 5:15:33 AM PDT by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: yank in the UK

I wasn’t implying anything. I simply asked a question that I was hoping for an answer to. I hope to have grandchildren some day and would like to know how to prevent autism. Geesh.


66 posted on 06/24/2012 5:19:55 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Bluebird Singing

autism is a spectrum disorder, probably that accounts for the widening diagnosis

with a kid who is “on the spectrum” all I can say is there may be some abuse of the system to obtain government benefits, but a lot of parents who never expected, are raising kids who are significantly impaired and no one knows what caused it.

However some envirnmentally introduced toxin, before or after birth, seems awfully suspicious. In my adopted son’s case we know the cause - happened happened before birth combined with conditions after his brth

However, the vaccine lobby seems too “PC” and powerful to be adequately investigated = much like global warming .. the onset of this condition after vaccination reaction is just too too frequent to allow parents to be at ease with soothing experts

A generation where 5% or more have this disorder ought to be deeply troubling to all of us


67 posted on 06/24/2012 5:34:03 AM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: Politicalmom
My son had a severe reaction to HIS DPT shot, his leg ballooned up and he was screaming a high-pitched scream. I discontinued his shots after that. He has been diagnosed as Aspberger/ADHD. He is fortunately high-functioning, and is extremely intelligent.

My son has the same kind of reaction and we stopped the shots after his 2nd DPT. He is also ADHD. He is 34 years old now. His son just turned 2 years old and is severely autistic.

68 posted on 06/24/2012 5:42:36 AM PDT by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
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To: yank in the UK

69 posted on 06/24/2012 5:45:40 AM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Slings and Arrows
You can't argue with belief, no matter how many facts you provide to support your argument. Belief is an emotional act and--as anyone who has ever argued with a liberal/greenie should know--you can't beat emotion with logic.

These folks are no different than the "climate change" true believers or "truthers."

In the end, it always boils down to "I just KNOW it's true."

Oh yeah, and anecdotal/personal observation and surmise always trump scientific facts.

Some folks just need someone or thing to blame. It makes them feel comfortable to believe that there is some big amorphous entity out there conspiring to kill us all and hide the fact that they are doing it.

Argument is futile. Disagreement is futile. Resistance is futile. LOL!!!
70 posted on 06/24/2012 5:50:35 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Member of the BBB Club - Bye-Bye-Barry!!! President Barack "Down Low" Obama)
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To: yank in the UK

They also ate your cooking. Maybe that caused it.

We had vaccines in elementary school in the 60’s and 70’s.


71 posted on 06/24/2012 5:53:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: yank in the UK

Is it an increase in incidence, or in diagnosis?


73 posted on 06/24/2012 5:57:54 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Romney Sucks. Mutiny Now, or something.)
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To: Sudetenland

Autism is genetic. The reason it wasn’t prevalent in the 60’s was that it wasn’t diagnosed. We didn’t have ADHD and Aspergers back then.

When I see an autistic child, I usually see an autistic parent. The university is full of them. The autistic kid in the Boy Scout troop has a dad that is eat up with it. Computer engineer who writes cell phone apps.


74 posted on 06/24/2012 5:59:51 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: yank in the UK

I guess everyone who doesn’t share your opinion is evil in your sight.

I bet your kids put glass in baby food served to children in hospitals and make old people eat moldy jello. See, your kids are worse than mine.


75 posted on 06/24/2012 6:03:07 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: ExGeeEye

I am very active in the autism outreach program, and take part in many events, play groups, outings. I am regularly at the local school for autistic children. It’s safe to say that I have been in contact with literally hundreds of parents of autistic children, and I have observed their children.
I dont see these children as being typical, or normal as other children are. I don’t believe it is an over diagnosis. I definitely see the symptoms.


76 posted on 06/24/2012 6:03:29 AM PDT by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: Sudetenland; Slings and Arrows
Just wait until a few thousand people start having personal observation of seeing a child die from measles or pertussis.

I will not enjoy being in the "I told you so" brigade on that day.

77 posted on 06/24/2012 6:03:29 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: AppyPappy

“Autism is genetic.”

In many cases you are correct, it is genetic. They are able to test for that, and more often then not it is not genetic. I have dealings with many parents of autistic children that are typically normal.


78 posted on 06/24/2012 6:08:55 AM PDT by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: Slings and Arrows

BS


79 posted on 06/24/2012 6:12:24 AM PDT by politicianslie (Obama: Our first Muslim PRESIDENT,destroying America $1 Trillion at a time! And America sleeps)
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To: savagesusie
It's a plot by the Mormons.
80 posted on 06/24/2012 6:14:08 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: yank in the UK

Autism rates have gone up because the threshold has gone down. Its that simple.

It’s similar to why particular disease rates are much higher in developed countries, because people get diagnosed and don’t just die of “an illness”.

Even very minor autism is now diagnosed, whereas 20 years ago, not even all severe cases were given an official diagnosis.


81 posted on 06/24/2012 6:19:55 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: nvscanman

The Haldane dilemma forbids thinking that any sort of genetic problem could increase its market share the way autism has via any natural process. It can’t be pollution since virtually all forms of pollution are way down since the 50s and 60s, and the only two things I come up with are vaccines and and the question of going from an electrical to an electronic world, and vaccines strike me a the more likely of the two.


82 posted on 06/24/2012 6:27:44 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: yank in the UK

You are absolutely correct. 100 years from now, people will look ack on the number of vaccines, adjuvants, media, preservatives, stc that we currently give to helpless infants as BARBARIC. if they don’t give you autism when young, they will give you Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s when older.

Look, Italy just paid out for vaccine caused autism. I too have a son with autism, the only one of my 4 who had vaccines under one year. He was also my only child with a trashed immune system, constant colds and ear infections. My other 3 have never had one ear infection.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160054/MMR-A-mothers-victory-The-vast-majority-doctors-say-link-triple-jab-autism-Italian-court-case-reignite-controversial-debate.html#ixzz1xu7lMBW5

I know MANY families with kids with autism who regressed immediately after a screaming painful reaction to vaccines like the family in this article.

Always make decisions that do the least harm. Do not vaccinate your children in the first year at the very least. I’m not vaccinating at all any more. Instead, focus on building up the vhildren’s immune system.


83 posted on 06/24/2012 6:28:56 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: yank in the UK

I don’t mean overdiagnosis.

I mean, is there anything to my idea that parents with difficult children used to treat it as a behavior issue, but now they take them to a doctor? That the incidence has remained steady while the science has advanced?


84 posted on 06/24/2012 6:38:47 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Romney Sucks. Mutiny Now, or something.)
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To: yank in the UK
The Amish have less vaccinations and much lower autism rate.
85 posted on 06/24/2012 6:42:28 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: yank in the UK

1. The autism-vaccine link had been disproven.

2. Consider the alternative. Assuming there is a link, far more children will die without the vaccine than will live with autism.

3. You don’t drive children anywhere do you? Cars are ten thousand times more dangerous.


86 posted on 06/24/2012 6:44:35 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: yank in the UK
They are cold and emotionless, almost without a soul.

That describes the mother, not the child; in this particular instance. I've seen the child smile...the mother? Not so much.

87 posted on 06/24/2012 6:46:53 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: yank in the UK

I have a 17 year old grandchild sho is severely autistic. He was developing normally until he was given a rash of vaccines by his pediatrician (when he was one and a half years old) in preparation for a family move from Ohio to NJ.

You can look at the family videos and see an engaged, normal little boy assume the dis-engaged look of an autistic practically over night. He’s been to all kinds of special schools and undergone all kinds of therapies, but I haven’t see a lot of progress over the years. My daughter definitely blames the vaccines.

What I don’t get is why the vaccine supporters are so adament in their denials? Nobody is asking to have the vaccines denied — only to have them separated (MMR, Dip-Per-Tet) and spaced. IOW, Mumps one month and Measles 6 weeks later. Perhaps given at a slightly older age. My daughter (and all my other children) did that with my other grandchildren with no ill effects. But, it always requires an argument with the medical personnel.

What/who are the nay-sayers trying to protect?


88 posted on 06/24/2012 7:08:42 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Slings and Arrows

no, it hasn’t been “thoroughly discredited”

I am regretting having had my kids get all those dumb shots.


89 posted on 06/24/2012 7:09:43 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Hayride
“We had vaccines as kids and we don’t have autism.”

My children had DPT, Smllpox, and Polio at ages 5 & 6. Children nowdays are barraged with several vaccines before they are even released from the hospital. They have MMR and hepatitis and I don't know all what else. My kids had a chance to recover between vaccines.

90 posted on 06/24/2012 7:13:07 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: To-Whose-Benefit?

Since doing a bit of research on the incredible increase of autism diagnosis...my best guess is that it IS psychotropic drugs in the ground water...and that is what is affecting kids.

Has anybody seen the numbers on the increase in autism in 3rd world countries where anti-depressants, adhd drugs, etc... are rarely, if ever used? My guess is that there has been no increase...but maybe one of you has some hard info to share.


91 posted on 06/24/2012 7:15:30 AM PDT by Pigsley
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To: ilovesarah2012
What is different about vaccines today than when we were growing up?

The number and the types of shots.

92 posted on 06/24/2012 7:16:45 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Slings and Arrows

Your post #2 is correct.


93 posted on 06/24/2012 7:19:15 AM PDT by samtheman (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/21/obamas-socialist-designs/)
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To: yank in the UK

I don’t discount vaccines being a major factor. When we were young, we rarely if ever came across someone with autism. Now days, there are many autistic students in our kids’ classes. It’s obvious that something is going on for such a rapid rise.

1 in 8 is horrific. There has to be a reason why there’s such a spike in cases in your area. Are the kids diagnosed with autism of the same age? If so, then it’s very possible it’s from a bad batch or too many vaccines given. Did they ever have the same doctor or clinic? Maybe tampering of the doses? If their ages vary drastically, then it could be environmental. Has there been environmental testings? Does the drinking water have high levels of toxins? The local produce or milk may have far too many chemicals during production. Or some nearby factory is emmitting poisonous gasses. Perhaps a company is secretly dumping toxic waste that leaching into the soil where the children play or into the water. Does everyone buy home decor from the same companies? Like everyone in the neighborhood buys their couches at the same furniture store or they buy their carpet from the same flooring store. Do they use the same carpet cleaning service or the same lawn treatment service or the same pest treatment?

I know for a fact that pest sprays can do a real number on your body. We had used a bug bomb and were sick constantly for six months. We’d go to the doctor but would be fine in his office but back home we’d be sick again. It was the longest before we realized that after a while of being outside the house we were fine but inside we were sick. We were so sick that we couldn’t get out much so that’s what took us so long in realizing what was happening. We normal clean our carpets ourselves but were too weak to do it so called in a carpet cleaner to do the carpets and upholstry but their new employee mixed their formula wrong so we came down with different symptoms. The bug junk was gone but now it was the carpet junk. After several cleanings with clear water, we were well again. I can only imagine if adults went through all that, then what would all those chemicals do to little kids.

I suspect that the sprays used on pecan trees where I grew up is the cause of so many in a certain age group to being diagnosed with infertility problems. When there’s a high number of problems within a small area, then it’s something that’s being done in that geographic area that’s the problem.


94 posted on 06/24/2012 7:23:47 AM PDT by bgill
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To: 9YearLurker
In the US at least, there are likely three factors all combining for the increase in autism diagnoses: 1) The definition of autism was officially broadened to include a whole ‘spectrum’, whereas it was once a very limited and extreme diagnosis. 2) There is funding now for both schools and parents with kids given the diagnosis, which has encouraged parents of children with all kinds of developmental, behavioral and mental disorders to seek an autism diagnosis—and professionals to give one.

Right on the money. However, are you aware that the criteria to be found eligible for special education services will be changed in the next year or so? I'll bet dollars to donuts that the numbers of children on the spectrum will drop dramatically. It will be interesting to see who takes the credit.

95 posted on 06/24/2012 7:30:04 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: 9YearLurker
In the US at least, there are likely three factors all combining for the increase in autism diagnoses: 1) The definition of autism was officially broadened to include a whole ‘spectrum’, whereas it was once a very limited and extreme diagnosis. 2) There is funding now for both schools and parents with kids given the diagnosis, which has encouraged parents of children with all kinds of developmental, behavioral and mental disorders to seek an autism diagnosis—and professionals to give one.

Right on the money. However, are you aware that the criteria to be found eligible for special education services will be changed in the next year or so? I'll bet dollars to donuts that the numbers of children on the spectrum will drop dramatically. It will be interesting to see who takes the credit.

96 posted on 06/24/2012 7:30:46 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: bgill

I don’t discount vaccines and other environmental factors for the dramatic increase in autism cases in my neighborhood but another factor, at least in my neighborhood is the school district I live in has a very good program for autistic kids. Maybe families with autistic kids move to areas where they can get better services for their kids. Or maybe since my grandson is severely autistic I just am more aware of autism.


97 posted on 06/24/2012 7:39:26 AM PDT by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
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To: Notary Sojac

Yes. It is sad when a child must suffer for the ignorant superstitions and imaginings of his parents.


98 posted on 06/24/2012 8:22:59 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Member of the BBB Club - Bye-Bye-Barry!!! President Barack "Down Low" Obama)
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To: Notary Sojac

They’ll just blame another conspiracy.


99 posted on 06/24/2012 8:34:14 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Sudetenland

Agreed. Fanaticism is an ugly thing.


100 posted on 06/24/2012 8:38:08 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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