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1 posted on 07/25/2012 9:39:41 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 07/25/2012 9:40:23 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

Alexander the so-so.


3 posted on 07/25/2012 9:43:38 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Renfield

Only in this day and age is history rewritten for and by the alleged victims.


4 posted on 07/25/2012 9:44:17 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Renfield

That’s right....in our new more ‘multicultural’ era we must see all sides of everything. I guess the Persians forgot ( or never knew) that victors write history and always have.


6 posted on 07/25/2012 9:48:18 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Renfield
Persians also condemn him for the widespread destruction he is thought to have encouraged to cultural and religious sites throughout the empire

The Ayatollahs should be pleased that he razed all those non-Islamic sites for them...

7 posted on 07/25/2012 9:50:14 AM PDT by mikrofon (Persian Rag)
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To: Renfield
I think most reasonably well educated people in the west are well aware the Persians invaded Greece & were repelled both times, and most people know Persia was a great empire.

And any thinking person would understand that modern day Iranians would have a different view of Alexander the Great than do we in the west.

Its also true that our view is no less valid than their's.

9 posted on 07/25/2012 9:53:10 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Renfield
The Persians have actually gotten a bit of an unfair shake in history.

Their Empire is one of the most impressive, cultural and tolerant examples I can think of.

May I suggest the episode of "Engineering an Empire" about the Persians to show many of their great feats.

10 posted on 07/25/2012 9:57:08 AM PDT by KC_Lion (No more Grand Old Progressives! Vote Conservative-Libertarian-Tea Party!)
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To: Renfield

Poor Darius


11 posted on 07/25/2012 9:58:14 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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"...his legacy looks very different from a Persian perspective."

It sucks to lose wars.

15 posted on 07/25/2012 10:08:12 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Renfield
Alexander ran into trouble when he wanted his Macedonian soldiers to prostrate themselves before him. And again when in a drunken argument he killed one of them without any sort of recourse to the law. He narrowly avoided an assassination plot after having some young Macedonian men flogged for shooting a deer that HE wanted to shoot during a hunt.

Prostration was such an issue to the Hellenize warrior-citizen that two Spartan warriors sent to atone to Xerxes for killing his emissaries by throwing them down a well; by having Xerxes kill them - were horrified to learn that they were expected to prostrate themselves in his royal presence. They came to be killed - but not to bow down!

16 posted on 07/25/2012 10:08:20 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Renfield

Alexander was generally a benevolent conqueror.

One exception was the city of Tyre but only because that city butchered his heralds on the walls in full view of Alexander and his men.

They thought wrongly, that because the city was on an island with high walls that they were safe from attack. It actually was a very difficult job but Alexander seems to have been particularly determined to conquer Tyre.


17 posted on 07/25/2012 10:12:03 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Renfield
The fact remains that he was a military commander of amazing ability with the best army of the day. Whether he was "great" or "mean" because of it is a matter of perspective, but not the fact that he succeeded brilliantly.

The principal problem of the very impressive Persian empire was, as is so often the case in empires in general, one of succession. Alexander caught them at a bad time; so, for that matter did Xenophon's Greek army earlier, who got sucked into fighting for the losing side and ended up having to cut its way to the sea.

Persia's earlier (mid-sixth-century BC) conquest of Ionia was a rather impressive show as well. A good deal of fighting, quite a great deal of diplomacy, intimidation, and bribery. Persian history that complains about Greek invasions should acknowledge that they started the thing, after all.

20 posted on 07/25/2012 10:46:04 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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Any visitor to the spectacular ruins of Persepolis

Once the radiation diminishes, tourists will be able to visit the not-quite-so-spectacular ruins of Tehran.

21 posted on 07/25/2012 11:31:01 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Renfield

So where does Cyrus the Great fit in? I’ve always been told he was the golden boy of Persia.


22 posted on 07/25/2012 11:39:39 AM PDT by EggsAckley ( There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply ! ! ..)
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To: Renfield; SunkenCiv

Did somebody say Persians?

29 posted on 07/26/2012 10:27:27 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Renfield

An Iranian friend I had, whose father left when the Shah fell, was always emphatic about how great Persian culture had been before the Arabs destroyed it.
Cyrus was a pretty amazing ruler; his heirs not so much.


31 posted on 07/27/2012 11:13:15 PM PDT by RedStateRocker
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To: Renfield

An Iranian friend I had, whose father left when the Shah fell, was always emphatic about how great Persian culture had been before the Arabs destroyed it.
Cyrus was a pretty amazing ruler; his heirs not so much.


32 posted on 07/27/2012 11:13:28 PM PDT by RedStateRocker
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